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Requiem for a Dynasty?

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by Kelsdad

Thirteen consecutive years in the postseason. Six World Series appearances. Four World Championships. With due respect to the Atlanta Braves, five World Series and one Championship in fifteen years pales by comparison. The Yankees loss to the Cleveland Indians set a franchise record for consecutive postseason losses, and likely marked the end of the road for the current group of Bronx Bombers. Turmoil in the front office, five All-Star caliber players with full or limited free agency pending. A manager and general manager with their backs to the wall. All signs point to an interesting off-season to say the least, and, if things don't go according to plan, the likelihood the next few years will be defined by mediocrity.

Look, George Steinbrenner is not an idiot. The franchise is at a turning point it hasn't seen in a generation. With a new Stadium opening in 2009, the last thing The Boss wants is to start off on the wrong foot with both Major League Baseball and the City of New York. So, what happens now. Well, I'm going to tell you, at least what I think.

Steinbrenner has alot on the line here. It's not just the new Stadium, it's the neighborhood around it. The City of New York, and the Governor's office insisted George be hands on through the whole process. The Stadium. The city park which will eventually sit where the current Stadium lies. The relocation of the River Ave. Subway stop. In doing so, Boss George did something he has never done; give unquestioned control to his General Manager. With conditions, of course. The conditions being everything would come back to him if things didn't go as they should. So, in December 2005, GM Brian Cashman signed a three year, fifteen million dollar contract extension. Cashman was named GM in December 1998, after Joe Torre was hired, and after the foundation had been laid for the future, including World Series appearances in 1999, 2000, 2001 and 2003. Cashman's contributions the last four years have led to no World Series appearances, and the Yankees arguably fall farther away every year.

Looking at 2008 and forward, this is what could happen, and, in some cases, should.

Brian Cashman : Contract status. One year remaining at five million dollars. There is a comfort zone for Steinbrenner already in the Yankees organization by the name of Joe Torre. Promote Torre to GM, promote Don Mattingly to manager, which is going to happen regardless, and give Cashman his buyout.

Joe Torre : Contract status. Expired. Sorry, George, you can't fire someone who is unemployed, and who says the decision whether or not Torre comes back is yours? Do the right thing, at least offer Torre the GM job.

Don Mattingly : The next Yankees manager, regardless of who the GM is.

Jorge Posada : Contract status, free agent. Posada is thirty-six years old, and has averaged 135 games caught the past nine seasons. Paid 13 million in 2007. As with Mariano Rivera, Posada was hurt by the Yankees breaking a long standing team policy of not negotiating contracts in season with Alex Rodriguez. Joe Torre's status for 2008 may also play a role in whether Posada returns. The Yankees consider Posada a must sign as there are no catcher prospects in their Minor League system. Sources indicate the Tampa Bay Devil Rays have serious interest in Posada.

Jason Giambi : One year remaining at a guaranteed 16 million. Team option for 2009 for 17 million which includes a 5 million buyout. His days as a first baseman are over. About three years ago. If the Yankees are successful in their bid for Adam Dunn, I bite the bullet and wave bye bye.

Robinson Cano : Contract status. Expired. Has no arbitration rights until 2009. Despite his offensive performance the past two years, the Yankees have grown increasingly dissatisfied with Cano. He can't hit lefties, he has little plate discipline or strike zone management, and his instincts defensively and on the bases are non-existent. The Yankees traded Alfonso Soriano, a decidedly better player for the same reason, so if the opportunity presents itself to acquire a Johan Santana type, Cano is gone.

Derek Jeter : Contract status, three years remaining at 61 million. Ain't goin' anywhere.

Alex Rodriguez : Contract status. Three years at 81 million, of which 57 million is owed by his former team, the Texas Rangers. Contract contains a one time opt out clause, which must be envoked within ten days after the end of the 2007 World Series. If he chooses to opt out, he becomes a free agent. Scott Boras, ARod's agent, has mentioned the possibility of a 300 million contract, or a contract averaging 30 million a year. Rodriguez spent the past off-season working out at shortstop. He may not want to become the all time homer leader. He may not care about 3500 career hits. He does want to be known as the greatest shortstop of all-time. The Yanks have been clear and upfront through all this too, they will not attempt to re-sign ARod if he opts out, which he will.

Johnny Damon : Contract status, two years remaining at 27 million, including a limited no trade. Damon will turn 36 on November 5th, this season was his worst offensively since his 2001 season in Oakland. His days as a full time CF are likely over, he did play a decent left field and also spent some time at first base. Johnny D. is still an everyday player, agreeably won't put up 190 hits or score 125 runs anymore, but will be a factor nonetheless.

Hideki Matsui :Contract status, two years remaining at 26 million. Matsui, 33, has been a below average outfielder since he joined the Yankees. He's not getting any younger, and has struggled with hamstring injuries the past two seasons. A possibility to play first base, a move to right field is also possible.

Melky Cabrera : Contract status, expired. No arbitration rights until 2009. The Yankees in the mid-eighties finished below .500 five of seven seasons, utilizing part-time players in starting roles. Roberto Kelly, Mel Hall and Dave Collins to name a few. Cabrera fits this role. A slightly above average OF with a decent arm, Cabrera has little offensive value, and as a focal point of the offense would struggle big-time, taking the rest of the team with him. A serviceable fourth outfielder, it is imperative the Yankees return him to this role for 2008.

Bobby Abreu : Contract status, one year club option at 16 million with a two million buy-out. The Yanks will buy him out and attempt to re-sign him at a much lower salary. It is unlikely he will accept anything less than 10 million, even for one year, so the guess here is he will move on. Abreu will turn 34 during spring training, and is coming off one of his worst seasons since his rookie campaign with Houston in 1996.

Doug Mientkiewicz : Contract status, one year at 2.2 million. A solid defensive player, not anyone you want playing 150 games, but as a part-time starter or late inning replacement, he has value. Will return.

Mariano Rivera : Contract status, free agent. Rivera turns 38 in November, and is coming off his worst season, by far, since becoming the Yankees full time closer in 1996. Do the Yankees re-sign him, maybe for two years and start phasing him out? Do they follow the Red Sox example with Jonathon Papelbon, take a top minor league starter and make him the closer? Closers are a dime a dozen, I'd sign Rivera for two years, and bring in a lesser known commodity just in case.

Update: In an interview today with Fox Sports, Mariano Rivera all but closed out the Yankees as an option if Joe Torre were to leave.

Chien-Ming Wang : Contract status, signed through 2009. Not an ace by any stretch, should be no more than a three. If the Yankees lose Andy Pettitte and are unable to acquire a front line starter, and are forced to go into the season with Wang as the #1, it's going to be a long year.

Mike Mussina : Contract status, one year at 10 million. Turns 39 in December. Likely won't find a taker on the trade market, so why not bring him back as the fifth starter?

Andy Pettitte : Contract status, one year player option at 16 million. Indications are he will negotiate a buyout and retire. Decision likely will be influenced on what happens to Rivera, Posada and Torre, the same can be said for them as well.

With all that's been said and written about the Yankees pitching, most of which is true, the common denominator of the past Yankee championships has been a decent bullpen and a solid bench. While the bullpen wasn't up to par with past teams, it wasn't all that bad either, the bench however was another story. It was freakin' horrible. Andy Phillips, Miguel Cairo, Shelley Duncan, Josh Phelps are all terrible and have no business being on a Major League roster. Damon, Matsui, Giambi and even Posada all played games they shouldn't have because of the lack of anything decent on the bench.

Down on the farm, the Yankees pre-season Minor League prospect list had eight righthanded pitchers in the top ten. The only position players, outfielders Jose Tabata (3), and Brett Gardner (10), are both coming off seasons in which they did nothing to enhance their prospect status. Out of the pitchers listed, Phillip Hughes, Joba Chamberlain, Ian Kennedy and Tyler Clippard all made appearances in New York this season and appear, at least dependent on the expected off-season moves, to begin the season in the Majors.

I picked the Red Sox to win it all this season in part due to what I just mentioned. They have the best balance of any team. For the Yankees to remain a threat and get back to what their fans, and, more importantly, Boss George, expect, there are a handful of moves which must be made before Opening Day. Will they? No one knows, but it's going to be an fun to wait and see.



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Silencer76AAA-er
282 days ago
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Just one thing I noticed... Abreu didn't make his major league debut until Sept. 1, 1996, not 93. Also, what numbers are you basing his worst on...he did have his 5th straight 100 RBI year this season, and he hit one more homer (16) than in 06 while hitting .283
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KelsdadAll-Star
282 days ago
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One of his worst, OK? Geezus.
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JuTMSY4Hall of Famer
282 days ago
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No Yankees fan should want Mattingly as Manager Is the curse of Donnie Baseball!!!
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Falcon02520Legend
282 days ago
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Actually it is the reversed Curse of the Bambino...
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DonatevoMajor Leaguer
282 days ago
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Nice article.
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Yakob878MVP
282 days ago
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any oe notice donatevo is like me when i just joined the site. with short comments with no explaination
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RomiezzoLegend
273 days ago
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Yeah, I agree.
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RomiezzoLegend
273 days ago
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Sorry, dude. I just had to.. Good times.
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Tmil42Draft Pick
282 days ago
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Great article, Kelsdad.
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KelsdadAll-Star
282 days ago
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Thanks, guys, appreciate it.
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MetsJetsDevilsDraft Pick
282 days ago
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Very good article. I don't think there is any chance that Torre becomes the GM. Also, I am not convinced that Donnie Baseball is the next manager of the Yankees. There is a guy out there who really wants the job, is an ex-Yankee and did a tremendous job with a bunch of nobodies last year. That guy is Joe Girardi.
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KelsdadAll-Star
282 days ago
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Yeah, I don't think so either. Mattingly was hand-picked to be Torre's successor, thus his promotion this season to bench coach. He may say screw it after what Torre went thru this year. I know he has the support of the players. I think Girardi is more suited to managing a younger team. He's a bit too authoratative to manage a group of high priced vets. He's from the Buck Showalter school of managing, and we know how that turned out.
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MetsJetsDevilsDraft Pick
282 days ago
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I hear ya, but a) do you really think Mattingly is ready for the job. b) I expect that the Yankees of next year will be a much younger team than this year. Their starting pitching alone may be Hughes, Kennedy and Joba.
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Manny StilesAAA-er
282 days ago
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Some sacrificial lamb will buffer the Torre to Mattingly years... Buck Showalter? Don't unpack, but come on in! Or Joe Girardi comes in and wears out his welcome in true Yankee Manager fashion... or unless George dies and Mattingly never gets the job.
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DonatevoMajor Leaguer
282 days ago
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Mattingly won't say "Screw it" to 5 million plus!
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Manny StilesAAA-er
282 days ago
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A "Dynasty" needs to last longer than the TV show Dynasty. I have a feeling that next year's Yankee-end celebration at Casa de Stiles will occur the same day as the season ends...
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KelsdadAll-Star
282 days ago
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Showalter works for Cleveland, I don't think George would pay a buyout to the team that just knocked them out of the postseason.
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WoodsmeisterVarsity Captain
282 days ago
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I would say that the Yankees forfeited dynasty status once they went 5 years without winning a World Series.
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KelsdadAll-Star
282 days ago
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As opposed the DRays end of the season celebration, which is concurrent with the All-Star game?
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Manny StilesAAA-er
282 days ago
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They weren't technically eliminated until September this year, if you'd check your abacus!
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Steel TownAll-American
282 days ago
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That is not an awful situation to be in. As a Pirates fan I still get to see about 80 games and then the season is over and I can start focusing on Steelers Training camp.
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Dcsundevil2002Div-I Stud
282 days ago
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Torre will be back... he shouldn't be, but he will.
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KelsdadAll-Star
282 days ago
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Thanks, Woody. Remind us, who's your team again?
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WoodsmeisterVarsity Captain
282 days ago
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It doesn't matter whether my team is a dynasty or not. You're the one claiming that your team is a dynasty. We've had 7 different WS winners in the last 7 years. Ain't nobody got a dynasty.
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KelsdadAll-Star
282 days ago
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The definition of a dynasty is alot different now than it used to be. The Yankees from 1960-1964 was, you win the league you to the World Series. Nowadays, you have to win two postseason series to get there. But no matter how you slice it, six World Series in thirteen seasons should count for something. It's certainly better than five World Series in 106 years.
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WoodsmeisterVarsity Captain
282 days ago
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Sorry - dynasties are all about winning the big enchilada, something the Yankees have not done since 2000. They haven't even appeared in the World Series since 2001. Luis Gonzalez ended the Yankee dynasty. It's just taken Yankee fans 6 more years to figure it out.
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WoodsmeisterVarsity Captain
282 days ago
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I take that back. I forgot the 2003 WS debacle against the Fish.
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RawbeezeitzAAA-er
282 days ago
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I think I can settle this: A dynasty to me is having periods of success in different generations. It doesn't mean winning every year, it doesn't mean you don't go through periods without winning. That being said, the New York Yankees are a dynasty. When 7 years without a WS win is considered a "drought," you're a dynasty. And it hurts me to say all this about the Bronx Scummers.
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Niteowl049AAA-er
282 days ago
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Great rundown on the Yankees...Feel sorry for Don Mattingly if he does take the manager job...what will he do if they start off 14 1/2 games back again in 2008? If he takes the job it will be for the money not because he wants to get the Torre treatment by Steinbrenner if he fails.
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Niteowl049AAA-er
282 days ago
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Matsui is turning into another A-Rod when it comes to the postseason. He has had 100 RBI's in all of his full season....will throw out 2006 since he was in only 51 games. But when it comes to the last three postseasons he has 10 hits in 47 times with 1 home run and 2 RBI's. That is what has killed the Yankees when A-Rod and Matsui made outs when they needed hits and it isn't all their fault Jeter didn't do that great this postseason with a 3 for 17 series and one RBI. Even Robinson Cano got two more hits than Jeter and A-Rod got one more hit than Jeter.
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Kwitt11Varsity Captain
281 days ago
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Jeter "didn't do that great this postseason"? He made 17 outs in 17 at-bats. If A-Rod did that, New York would have crucified him.
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KelsdadAll-Star
282 days ago
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The Yankees are a great offensive team, but they are lacking in every other aspect. Unlike the Red Sox, who can win a 1-0 game on occasion, the Yankees don't have the support of a good pitching staff or a good defense to do that. So, their loss shouldn't be a surprise, at least it isn't to me. I'm always disappointed when their season is over, but this was expected.
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RawbeezeitzAAA-er
282 days ago
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Not by Insan.
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Niteowl049AAA-er
282 days ago
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Can't help but wonder if the Division Series would have turned out different if Pettitte had pitched twice instead of Wang. A 19 game winner with a 0-2 record and 19.06 ERA in playoffs? He is ranked 69th of 74 pitchers in ERA that have appeared so far in playoffs. Still surprised the Indians started 6 game winner Westbrook in third game instead of Byrd...guess they had a good reason.
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Niteowl049AAA-er
282 days ago
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Wang had as much to do with the Yankees losing as anything. He pitched 5.2 innings and gave up 12 runs, 14 hits, 3 home runs, 4 walks and 2 hit batsmen. You really have to work to give up all that in a little over half of a game in total innings. Starting Clemens was a gamble that didn't pay off so like you said the pitching is not that great. Pettitte pitched great but think that was the "Bugs" game when Joba Chamberlain became unglued because of the bugs. Hated to see that happen to him but both pitchers had to deal with the bugs.
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KelsdadAll-Star
282 days ago
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The result would have likely been the same. Clemens injury and subsequent forcing Torre to use Hughes in long relief totally f*cked the rotation. Even if Mussina had started, what would have happened if he got rocked? Even better, say Game four went as it did except the Yankees came back and won. Who would have pitched Game Five? Pettitte? Kennedy? Scary thought, huh? I think if the series was tied 1-1, Niteowl, Byrd would have pitched game 3. Up 2-0, they had a game to throw away.
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Niteowl049AAA-er
282 days ago
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Kelsdad....very good point...a lot of teams would love to have the playoff record of the Yankees. Those Cubs fans have been waiting 99 years for a World Series championship and now will have to wait an even 100 years for a chance to win next year.
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Niteowl049AAA-er
282 days ago
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See what you mean Kelsdad...Indians didn't have to win Game 3 so went with Westbrook...your Yankee rundown is one of best reads at armchairgm.com this year.
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Niteowl049AAA-er
282 days ago
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With Mussina you don't know what you are going to get...he did keep the Yankees close in September with his pitching but if he had pitched well in August they may have won the AL East.
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Niteowl049AAA-er
282 days ago
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What was the story on Giambi? Why wasn't he used more? Was he hurt?
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Niteowl049AAA-er
282 days ago
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I am not a Yankee fan but not the kind to rub it in...had someone do that to me when the Braves were eliminated one year and I made a pledge to never do that to anyone. I have respect for fans and the reason they like their teams.
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Niteowl049AAA-er
282 days ago
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Indians and Red Sox should be a good matchup...will be OK with either team winning but I always say that then wind up rooting for one team over the other.
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Niteowl049AAA-er
282 days ago
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See Boras thinks A-Rod will opt out of his contract. Boras and A-Rod will both get rich off his next contract. Boras should send $14 million to Red Sox for deceiving them into thinking J.D. Drew would play like a major league ballplayer in 2007 season.
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I am a cpcpMajor Leaguer
281 days ago
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Boras and A-Rod are already rich. They both have all the money they'll ever need. I recommend reading the latest ESPN the mag. There's a very interesting articles on Boras and his motives. It really opened my eyes to some things.
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KelsdadAll-Star
282 days ago
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Thanks, Niteowl.

Giambi's been struggling with injuries off and on the past couple years. Once he started laying off the steriods his body started to break down pretty rapidly. I think he's juicing a little bit, just not enough to make it obvious.

Even on good days, the Yankees pitching is not very good. Pettitte and Mussina are both way past their prime, I doubt Wang will ever have one. Winning 19 games is impressive on paper, but look at his actual stats and compare them to his run support and you'll see what I mean. I really like Hughes, and Kennedy and Chamberlain have potential, just not as much. Maybe they'd all at some point form a pretty formidable rotation, but the last thing I want to see is three rookies starting next year. I'm hopeful they can pull something for Santana or Willis, I've even heard a rumor on Roy Oswalt. Really doesnt matter who they get, long as its someone. (Not that asshole Schilling, however)
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RawbeezeitzAAA-er
282 days ago
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I've always seen Schilling as more of a douchebag than an asshole. But the guy can pitch.
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Manny StilesAAA-er
282 days ago
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let's call him an enema and split the difference!
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RawbeezeitzAAA-er
282 days ago
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^^^funniest thing I've ever read on AGM.
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Niteowl049AAA-er
281 days ago
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Santana is who they really need. Imagine if he had pitched for Yankees this year and with the run support of the Yankees offense. Instead he pitched for the Twins. Torii Hunter hit only one home run after the 31st of August and hit .240 in September while Justin Morneau hit 3 home runs total combined during August and September and hit .227 in August and .217 in September. Joe Mauer's average fell 54 points from the 2006 season. Santana was 0-5 against Cleveland with one no decision so that is one negative on Santana.
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TylersaltAll-Star
281 days ago
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Let's face it. Everyone needs Santana.
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Niteowl049AAA-er
281 days ago
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Very true...Mattingly won't say no if he is offered $5 million contract...that is too much money to turn down regardless of any Steinbrenner criticism.
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Niteowl049AAA-er
281 days ago
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KWitt is right...there is a double standard when it comes to Jeter...have heard no comments in media about Jeter having a terrible division series.
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KelsdadAll-Star
281 days ago
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ARod is an import. He is a product of another organization and was supposed to be the difference between the ALCS and the WS. The Yanks lost the World Series in '03, and the ALCS in '04. It's not like they missed the playoffs by five games, ARod came in to essentially be the difference in one or two.

Despite two MVP's in three years, there's no argument the Yankees are a worse team with ARod then before ARod. That's the reason, and the only reason, why he takes as much abuse as he does.

Did Yankee fans take sides between Jeter and ARod during the so-called friendship spat? Yes, and most sided with Jeter as they should have, again, because he's a Yankee and ARod isn't.

Look, Reggie Jackson took a thousand times more shit than ARod has from Yankee fans and all that did was make him better. Reggie just said fuck you to everyone, then went out and made himself into Mr. October.

ARod's a pussy. He can't stand it when he's not the center of attention. And it's not just Jeter either. It's Rivera, and Posada and Pettitte too. He's better off going to Chicago or LA and playing in an enviornment where loyalty isn't as important, and where accountability means being in the lineup, not playing well.

There's a reason why the Cubs havent been to the Series in 90 whatever years, having a player hit 50 homers, or a pitcher win the Cy Young, and still finish fourth is acceptable. It's not acceptable in New York, so it's time for him to go.
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TylersaltAll-Star
281 days ago
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How does Scott Boras not have a page here? This needs to be remedied immediately.
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Niteowl049AAA-er
281 days ago
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Well stated Kelsdad...A-Rod was used to being the center of attention in Seattle and Texas and in New York there was so many stars already he was just another in the constellation and not a particularly bright star. He would be great in Kansas City where he would get all the attention since the Royals have no big star. In 2007 John Buck led the team in home runs with 18 and Emil Brown led in RBI's with 62. Mark Grudzielanek led the team in batting average with .302 among Royals with at least 400 at bats. A-Rod would stick out like a sore thumb in KC.
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Niteowl049AAA-er
281 days ago
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A-Rod would get all the attention in KC since Royals top home run hitter John Buck had 18 homers and top RBI man was Emil Brown with 62...almost 100 less than A-Rod.
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Niteowl049AAA-er
281 days ago
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Sorry...the first one I wrote didn't seem to be loading so wrote a shorter version and both wound up being published.
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