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Mock World Series, 2006 Phillies v 1961 Yankees

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by user Kelsdad

Our esteemed colleague Harold Friend, aka User:LouGehrig, posted an interesting article Sunday in which he referenced to the 1961 New York Yankees being "great then, but not anymore." He compared the Yankees to the 2006 Philadelphia Phillies, a team who numbers-wise compares favorably with the Yanks, but in terms of 2006 they were a league average team. We had exchanged some comments and thought with things being as they are, the Yankees were still the far superior team and had agreed only Ryan Howard and Chase Utley, at first and second respectively, would have started for the '61 Yanks.

Now we know these teams couldn't actually play each other, but thanks to computer and/or board games such as Strat-o-matic and Diamond-Mind Baseball, replays between two teams in different eras, or even seasons, are now possible. There are known intangibles built into these replays, such as field conditions and so on, but the end result is unless we as users manually replay these games the computer spits out a result within seconds, and while I believe them to be pretty accurate I also know to take them with a grain of salt. But I also love these comparisons, and doing them manually is a lot of work, but to punch in some pitching match-ups or line-ups and play around for the results, is a lot of fun. A great site for this kind of thing, an actual award winner for best sports web-site is www.whatifsports.com. All major sports are available for simulated replays, and they have recently begun adding College Basketball. So, last night, after thinking about what Harold had said, I ran a “World Series” between the ’61 Yankees and ’06 Phillies. With the Yankees, since they actually made the World Series, I ran their starting lineups exactly as they were according to the actual game boxscores. For the Phillies, lineups were off the most common lineups used for the season.

GAME 1: at New York, Whitey Ford v. Brett Myers

Yankees go up 1-0 with a 6-4 win. Whitey Ford pitched a complete game six-hitter with 12 strikeouts. For the Yankees, catcher Elston Howard was 4-4 with a homer, 2 runs scored and 2 RBI. Bobby Richardson, Tony Kubek and Mickey Mantle also had two hits each, with Richardson and Mantle homering. Roger Maris reached base four times on one hit and three walks. For the Phillies, Myers allowed 12 hits and six earned runs in 6 2/3 IP, with nine strikeouts. Offensively, Chase Utley was 2-5 with a run scored and an RBI, Jimmy Rollins was 1-4 with two runs scored, an RBI and chipped in a stolen base. Ryan Howard was 0-5 with four strikeouts.

GAME 2: at New York, Ralph Terry v Jon Lieber

Phillies tie series at 1-1 with 6-5 win. Yankees took a 2-0 lead in the second which included a Yogi Berra HR. Phillies tied in the third on two-run homer by Ryan Howard. Yankees scored single runs in the fourth, fifth (Mantle HR) and sixth, Phillies took a 6-5 lead in the eighth on back to back homers by Chase Utley and Ryan Howard, with Utley’s a two run job. Yankees tied in the bottom on single and an error by Pat Burrell, the Phils scored the winning run in the top of the ninth on singles by Burrell, David Bell and a pinch single by Shane Victorino. Rollins had three hits, scored three runs and contributed a HR. Chase Utley was 2-5 including a HR, and Howard was 2-4 with two HR and 3RBI. For the Yankees, Yogi Berra was 4-5 with a homer, pitcher Ralph Terry was 2-2 at the plate although allowed four homers in his 7 2/3 innings pitched, and both closers suffered blown saves with one eventually the winning pitcher and one the loser.

GAME 3: at Philadelphia, Bill Stafford v Cole Hamels

Yankees take 2-1 Series lead with 5-3 win. Yankees overcome 3-2 deficit in ninth inning, after two outs, Bobby Richardson singled, Elston Howard walked and Mickey Mantle hit a three-run homer. Chase Utley was 3-4 with a solo HR. Bill Stafford pitched 6IP allowing no earned runs, Cole Hamels pitched seven innings allowing three hits, no earned runs, walked five and struck out 6.

GAME 4: at Philadelphia, Whitey Ford v Cory Lidle

Yankees go up 3-1 with 12-5 win. Mickey Mantle was 3-4 with a homer, two runs scored and 2 RBI. Roger Maris was 2-4 with 2 runs, 3 RBI and a homer. Tony Kubek 2-4 with 2 runs and 2 RBI, and Clete Boyer 3-5 with 2 runs and 2 RBI. For the Phillies, Jimmy Rollins was 2-4 with a homer, Bobby Abreu 1-4 with 2 RBI, Chris Coste 2-4 with 2 runs scored.

GAME 5: at Philadelphia, Rollie Sheldon v Brett Myers

Phillies stay alive with 6-5 win. Phillies score three in bottom of eighth to win. Shane Victorino hit by pitch, Jimmy Rollins single, Chase Utley sac fly, Ryan Howard double, intentional walk to Bobby Abreu followed by game winning single by Pat Burrell. Chase Utley was 2-4, Ryan Howard 3-3 with two walks, two runs and 3 RBI for the Phillies, for the Yankees, Tony Kubek went 3-4, and Roger Maris 2-4 with 2 runs, 3 RBI and a homer.

GAME 6: at New York, Ralph Terry v. Jon Lieber

Yankees win Series, 4-2 with 10-7 win. Yankees led 10-0 after 6 behind two run homers by Roger Maris and Yogi Berra, and a grand slam by Maris. Phillies came back with two in the eighth and five in the ninth highlighted by a three run homer by Ryan Howard. In addition to Howard’s homer and three RBI, Jimmy Rollins and Chase Utley each went 2-6, Bobby Abreu 3-4 with two runs scored, Pat Burrell with 2 runs scored. For the Yankees, Maris ended up 3-5 with two homers, six RBI and three runs scored, Yogi Berra and Clete Boyer each 3-4 with Berra having a homer, 2 runs scored and 2 RBI.

Overall, Jimmy Rollins scored eight runs, had nine hits and three homers, Chase Utley was 11-23 with three homers, Ryan Howard chipped in with three homers and nine RBI, albeit with eleven strikeouts, and Bobby Abreu had the same number of walks.

On the Yankees side, Bobby Richardson had seven hits, Tony Kubek nine, Roger Maris four homers and 12 RBI, Mickey Mantle four homers and 9 RBI.

Maybe if I ran this again, the result would be different, and maybe it wouldn't. But either way its fun to see the numbers, even though they're on paper.

And the 1985 Bears beat the 2003 Patriots 24-0 at Chicago, and 17-9 at New England.

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False ProphetAll-Star
658 days ago
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The 1985 Bears are one of the GOAT teams of all time. I think 24-0 and 17-9 are a bit of a wide margin, but I think the game would go to the '85 bears
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Davis21wylieAll-Star
658 days ago
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Nice article, KD. I love Whatifsports.com.
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KelsdadAll-Star
657 days ago
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Thanks Davis. Me too. I get on there and time just flies by.
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EnyboDiv-I Stud
657 days ago
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Good job Kel. What site did you use for the football scores? I would love to match the 2006 Bears against the 85 Pats.
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KelsdadAll-Star
657 days ago
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Same site, WhatifSports.com. click on the top box, "Sim matchup", then pick football. Then you set home/road teams, pick stadiums, weather, etc. Have fun, and let us know how it went.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
657 days ago
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But you can't alter rosters can you? I'm eventually gonna do an article about the simulated careers of Ted Williams as a Yankee and Joe DiMaggio as a Red Sock, just to see whwt happened (on Baseball Mogul)... uness someone wants to beat me to it... (turns and glares at Neil P. and gives a nudge to his keyboard)
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Davis21wylieAll-Star
657 days ago
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Well, I've already posted a made-up career path for The Splinter if the U.S. didn't go to war in the 40's-50's, so why not? Baseball Mogul is the shit, by the way.
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JoebookRed-Shirting
657 days ago
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The major flaw is that Abreu and Lidle wouldn't have been on the team for the 2006 World Series. They were traded to the Yankees at the deadline, and Lidle was killed in a plane crash. This is a fun thing to do, but not realistic at all.
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LouGehrigVarsity Captain
656 days ago
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This is a great article and the idea was just as great. I have played APBA as a board game for many years and now use the computer version. I loved your results. Excellent.
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KelsdadAll-Star
656 days ago
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I used the most popular Phillies line-up from last season, which included Abreu, and the Lidle based on number of starts. And he was killed after the Series, so moot point.
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