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Carlos Silva is no Josh Beckett – A Hostile Hochuli Editorial

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by Afraidofedhochuli

From: http://afraidofedhochuli.blogspot.com

 

It is no surprise that the Mariners need pitching. They were in the running for Kuroda and missed out, they have been named in the Santana sweepstakes (but we all know they are being used as a bargaining chip), and they are making a run for Bedard. They have a young Phenom “Ace”, a decent number 3 (Washburn) and an alright number 4 (Batista). 

What do they need? 

A recent X-Ray of Bill Bavasi's head. Done during his last physical.
A recent X-Ray of Bill Bavasi's head. Done during his last physical.

A viable #1 or #2 and a 5. Their 5 might be Brandon Morrow. Their 5 might be Ryan Rowland-Smith. It might even be Horacio Ramirez, who they STUPIDLY tendered an offer to.

Guess how much Josh Beckett made in 2007: $6.66 Million. Carlos Silva? $4.32 Million.

This upcoming year Silva will be paid $12 Million thanks to his brand new 4 year $48 Million contract with the Seattle Mariners.


Josh Beckett in 2007:

200.0 Inning Pitched

194 Strike Outs

20 Wins

7 Losses

WHIP (Walks and Hits/Innings Pitched) 1.14

Era of 3.27


Carlos Silva in 2007:

202.0 Inning Pitched

89 Strike Outs

13 Wins

14 Losses

WHIP (Walks and Hits/Innings Pitched) 1.31

Era of 4.19


The Mariners had absolutely no chance of getting Beckett, so this has nothing to do with him. I am using him as an example of a GOOD pitcher and what he is worth.

Josh Beckett was one of the best in the league this season and he was paid the salary that a #3 or 4 starter should be paid. If he was the free agent this season he would have had a massive payday, but he wasn’t and others cashed in on the mediocrity that is the market this season.

Enter Bill Bavasi and the Seattle Mariners.

They are willing to pay exorbitant prices for crap. That I right, I said crap.

Silva should NOT be making that much money. He is projected as #2 right now and if they are able to land Bedard (or even Santana now that his best friend is here) he will become 3 or 4. Is a 3 or 4 starter worth THAT much money????

How much was he being tendered by his previous team, the Twins? 3 years for $18 million. Half the yearly price.

Stupid, Bill. Stupid.


If you are NOT able to put a decent 1 or 2 on the field this season you will have people at your door, wondering why you are paying $23 Million to Silva and Sexson; why you traded a decent 1 st baseman instead of offloading (or cutting) Sexson; why you have failed to backload positions that are already filled. How many catchers will we draft just to find out that they aren’t good enough to be the future?

Bill, right now there is a lot of anger and animosity in Seattle. This can be attributed to the trouble on Montlake and the anger at the Hawks’ #37. You got booed at the Hall of Fame night of Edgar Martinez. People already think that you are a waste of flesh and are angry that you can’t seem to take the 7 th highest payroll in the Majors to the playoffs.

You perennially overpay.

I am totally fine with Silva, but not that price tag.

I wish I could throw 80 miles an hour.

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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
337 days ago
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Maybe Seattle will get lucky and Carlos will turn out to be Carl Pavano.
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AfraidofedhochuliDraft Pick
337 days ago
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What, and get injured?
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JuTMSY4Legend
337 days ago
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no, be good for a year and get traded to the yankees
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AfraidofedhochuliDraft Pick
337 days ago
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
337 days ago
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Silva on the DL has to be more beneficial than actually pitching.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
337 days ago
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like Pavano?
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
337 days ago
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Maybe if you get a few beers in Silva he could drop F-bombs in post game conferences like Beckett? That's gotta be worth a couple mil, right?
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JuTMSY4Legend
337 days ago
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in fines?
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
337 days ago
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Maybe [-]omo should call Beckett and ask for tips on how to "perform" in front of the (ex)-girlfriend?
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AfraidofedhochuliDraft Pick
337 days ago
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Bavasi is a fuggin retard. a RETARD
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
337 days ago
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Hey, don't demean the mentally underdeveloped like that!!!
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AfraidofedhochuliDraft Pick
337 days ago
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okay...i guess that is mean...mentally handicapped people are offended that i gavew him that much credit. This is my drawing of Bill Bavasi's brain monkeypoofight.gif
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
337 days ago
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Calling people with different challenges "handicapped" is almost as insensitive, you know... Can't you just call him a 'fucking shithead' and cut to the chase?
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AfraidofedhochuliDraft Pick
337 days ago
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Maybe you should ban me.

When the fugg did the world become so damn PC??? Jesus, they call them Handicapped Parking Spaces, but the peopel who use them are "challenged"???

PICK ONE

Merry Christmas
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
337 days ago
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I don't care what you call people or where you park. But I do like "fugging" with you about it...
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AfraidofedhochuliDraft Pick
337 days ago
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I appreciate political correctness and i appreciate people being sensitive, but it has gotten WAY TO CRAZY.

It used to be retarded...because the definition is: To be delayed. Also according to Dictionary.com: 1. characterized by retardation: a retarded child.

Then it became: Mentally Handicapped...and now that is too much?

Words are just that...words. If it offends someone, I am sorry. I am a liberal democrat, but I am tired of being told that i can't say something because 1 person is offended.

Sorry...off-topic
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AfraidofedhochuliDraft Pick
337 days ago
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I know you do Manny. And I am not taking you seriosuly, but I have been holding in this anger about the Holidays. The south says: "Merry Christmas". I feel peope should say what they want.
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SSreportersLegend
337 days ago
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An argument about political correctness? It's time to bring in: METS!JETS!DEVILS!
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AfraidofedhochuliDraft Pick
337 days ago
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Jesus....CHANGE THE SUBJECT!! QUICK! So...ummm...how about global warming?
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LASportsblogAAA-er
337 days ago
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It's a challenge to drive through Beverly Hills on my way to work this morning without getting pulled over and being asked where I got the car, doesn't make me handicapped.

It's a handicap a recontructed left ankle, but it's not a challenge to get outta bed in the morning.

They're all words, it just depends on how and where you use them...
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SSreportersLegend
337 days ago
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War in Iraq perhaps? Healthcare?
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LASportsblogAAA-er
337 days ago
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You can't be that liberal of a Dem, Hoch You showed an ability to reason and comprehend PC.
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The Ironman Jeff GarciaJV Squad
337 days ago
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I nominate we talk about Jamie Lynn.
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LASportsblogAAA-er
337 days ago
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nominate it again and I'll label you Bill Simmons
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The Ironman Jeff GarciaJV Squad
337 days ago
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Mmm....Dunkin' Donuts.
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SSreportersLegend
337 days ago
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I hardly follow baseball, but since I'm semi-obligated to when nothing happens after the NBA Finals, this was a terrible signing. But what else is new? This is the same guy who believed Jeff Weaver was competent. The list could go on and on:

Eddie Guardado

Joel Peneiro

Jamie Moyer


Obviously pitching is not something big for Bavasi.
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AfraidofedhochuliDraft Pick
337 days ago
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Guardado was pretty good, and they offloaded him as he got worse.

Moyer is still pretty decent.

We haven't had a #1 since Randy Johnson
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SSreportersLegend
337 days ago
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In the mean time, Jeff Weaver.....
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AfraidofedhochuliDraft Pick
337 days ago
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oh, i will not argue with that...
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SSreportersLegend
337 days ago
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Ichiro may have to learn how to pitch.
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AfraidofedhochuliDraft Pick
337 days ago
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and play second
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SSreportersLegend
337 days ago
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And third, and first, and left field. Johjima is a good catcher, so it's nothing but Japanese.
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DNLLegend
337 days ago
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I really have little problem with this signing. He was one of the better pitchers available and the market probably dictated a four year deal worth at least $40m. (Beckett would be worth at least what Barry Zito got!) When a lackluster team overpays by 20%, big deal. No one takes a hometown discount to come in third place.
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Davis21wylieAll-Star
337 days ago
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But how much better is Silva than, say, Josh Towers? Seriously.
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DNLLegend
337 days ago
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If Towers coming off four straight years of 180 IP++, he'd probably be worth the same as Silva. But no one wants to spend money on a guy who had one full season -- three years ago.
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Davis21wylieAll-Star
337 days ago
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Good point about all the innings Silva's eaten, but I'm just talking from a strictly skills standpoint, they're not all that different. And Silva's going to haul in a lot more $$ for the next 4 years. If I want an innings-eater with a lousy K rate (regardless of ERA, which you know is going to fluctuate like crazy), there are plenty of guys out there who don't cost you $48 mil.
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DNLLegend
337 days ago
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The K rate is bad but the walk rate is superb. He puts a lot of balls in play, and DIPS has been shown to be less than gospel. I think the pitch-to-contact pitcher isn't terrible so long as he keeps his walks down, which Silva does. And I'd love to see Silva v. Adam Dunn. The world may explode.
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Davis21wylieAll-Star
337 days ago
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All I'm saying is, when you pitch to contact, you gotta be prepared for what happens after they make contact. The league slugged only .432 off Silva last year; but the year before, .538, the two years before that, .441 and .462. For $48 million, I don't trust a guy who Ks 4 per 9 and whose ERA depends upon the whims of the defense and whether or not his underwhelming stuff gets shelled.
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AfraidofedhochuliDraft Pick
337 days ago
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And the M's D started to struggle last season
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Davis21wylieAll-Star
337 days ago
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Damn straight, 27th in defensive efficiency. I can see this Silva contract being one of the worst in baseball within two years.
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KelsdadAll-Star
337 days ago
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The market should be reflective of talent, not numbers. It's the same with the amateur draft, if the number one guy this year gets $3 million to sign, who says next years guy should, especially, as was the case this year, the talent level in the draft is less? What if the number one guy this year would have gone #10 last year? Should he be paid according to his draft number? Or by what the scouts rate him talent wise.
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DNLLegend
337 days ago
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The Def Eff rating is why I wanted Silva as a Met. He'd have been effective here. I was hoping $30m over 3 though
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KelsdadAll-Star
337 days ago
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And don't worry about not being able to throw 80 miles an hour, Silva can't either.
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AfraidofedhochuliDraft Pick
334 days ago
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HA! I'm glad someone picked up on that :)
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