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Boston Celtics = Definition of Overrated

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by PleatsnCleats

(I left out my intro on race and the Boston Celtics, since it's not related to the following, but you can click here if you'd like to read the full article.)

Before any Celtics fans get upset, I just ask that you hear me out, because overhyping does not really help anyone except the league itself.

Thank you. I'll continue now.

The hype around this team is almost deafening. People are saying they're going to go to Eastern Conference Finals, or win an NBA championship. Is that so?

And this was before the season started. Now that they're 7 games in to an 82 game season, and they've played against 6 teams (one team twice), they're the champs? Let's look at who these 7 wins have come against: Washington, Toronto, Denver, Atlanta, New Jersey, Indiana, New Jersey again. Of those teams, only Denver has a winning record. Two of those teams - Washington and Miami - are off to a downright atrocious start. Their games for the rest of the month of November include Miami (1-7), Orlando (7-2), Golden State (0-6), Lakers (4-3), Charlotte (4-4), Cleveland (4-5), New York (2-5), and Miami again.

So after facing 6 teams, only one of which has a winning record, and with a pretty weak schedule for the rest of this month, we're supposed to believe that this team could . . . go . . . all . . . the . . . way?

Well, I'm sorry, I just can't get down with that. Not only are they less than 10% of the way done with the season, but they haven't even played 80% of the other teams in the league. They haven't won any championships. They haven't even been to the playoffs yet.

Individually, the so-called Big 3 have pretty weak playoff histories. To wit:

  • This is Ray Allen's 11th year in the league, and he has been to the playoffs 4 times, 3 with the Milwaukee Bucks, one with Seattle Supersonics. The furthest he made it was one trip with the Bucks to the conference finals 7 years ago, losing to the Philadelphia 76ers
  • Celtics Captain Paul Pierce has been in the league 9 years, been to the playoffs 4 times, all with the Celts, and made it to the conference finals in 2002, losing to the New Jersey Nets.
  • Kevin Garnett is in his 12th year in the league, and he's been to the playoffs 8 of those years with the Minnesota Timberwolves, where they lost in the first round every year except in 2004 - their last playoff appearance - when they fell to the L.A. Lakers in the conference finals.

So, we have none of the Big 3 who has even been to a) the NBA finals -- ever, or b) the playoffs within the last three years. Not to mention that there are, like, 11 other people on the team, two of which also need to contribute to the team at all times.

The playoffs have as much to do with endurance as they do with talent. You must have a solid bench or you can hang up your chances of winning any kind of ring. Now, they do have some talent in Eddie House and Rajan Rando. And all it takes is one time to win a championship, no previous ones required. Got it.

But the Celtics still haven't won anything, may not have the tools to compete deep in the playoffs, haven't played any real contenders, and most of the teams they have played and will play this month have at or below .500 records.

What if the Celtics are just last year's #1 seed Western Conference Dallas Mavericks, who performed well in the regular season only to lose to a team like the #8 seed Golden State in the first round of the playoffs?

This is not to say that the Celtics won't make it deep through the playoffs, but I think it is entirely too early to start prognosticating like we have any idea at what level this team is capable of performing. They haven't even really been tested like that. Anyone saying that they're going to "take the East," and how great a feat 7-0 is for this team is only further contributing to rating the Celtics higher than they deserve to be rated, which would make them - you guessed it - overrated.

And thank you to SportsGerbil for posting this link to ESPN's season-long comparison of the record of this season's Celtics to the 72-10 record amassed by the 1995-96 Chicago Bulls team that did win the NBA Championship (and had a great bench). All I can say is "wow."

With Kobe-watch fading out of style, I'm sure the NBA wants a story and they chose this one, but let's wait until they actually show us what they've got.

All this bandwagon jumping is getting sickening.

(Cross-published at Pleats 'n Cleats)

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SSreportersHall of Famer
232 days ago
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I understand the fact that none of those guys know what an NBA Finals is. But....you have 3 stars on one team that can change it all, with a supporting cast.
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PleatsnCleatsVarsity
232 days ago
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"Can" being the operative word. My objection is with the seemingly universal concensus that they're going to do it.
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HappyskinnyAll-American
232 days ago
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I haven't heard anyone proclaim them the "champs" already. People think they are good, and for good reason. However, you say seven games is too early, then how can you judge what Miami and Washington have done this early in the season. Miami could turn out to be a great team at season's end. You are doing the same thing people are doing with the Celtics, just at the other end of the spectrum with Miami.
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PleatsnCleatsVarsity
232 days ago
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I've heard champs, but none of the serious journalists seem to have gone that far because hopefully they realize it's not a good idea to do that this early. Everything you said is true. Miami and Washington could turn out to be the hottest teams in the league, and my point is still an objection to the bandwagon for the Celts specifically this early in the season. Has anyone noticed the Hornets are having one of their best starts ever?
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ChachiOSUDraft Pick
232 days ago
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They should put this on ESPN.com to start balancing out Bill Simmons.
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TrizzAll-American
232 days ago
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So, we have none of the Big 3 who has even been to a) the conference finals or b) the playoffs within the last three years. umm you just stated all of them made it to the conference finals, none of them went to the NBA finals...and you're right, I'm optimistic for my C's but I'm not getting carried away, they won 14-15 a couple years ago and lost in the first round to a 6th seed
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PleatsnCleatsVarsity
232 days ago
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Sorry, both a and b referred to past three years, but I will add to that no NBA finals either.
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Ea34Div-I Stud
232 days ago
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Here's the thing- the Celtics are playing so well right now, I don't think they are presently overrated. The one frustrating thing about the coverage of the Celtics is that no one addressing their alarming lack of overall depth or their lack of depth and consistency at the point guard position (the most important position come playoff time!).
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PleatsnCleatsVarsity
232 days ago
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They are no doubt playing well . . . and any reports on that are not overrated. Jumping to them winning the East based on 7 games against teams under .500 who at this point in the season look like the only way they will reach the playoffs is if they buy a ticket? To me, that is "overrated" personified.
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CRS-ONEVarsity Captain
232 days ago
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That's exactly how I feel about the Celtics. It'll be interesting to see where they are 2/3 through the season.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
232 days ago
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It is a little early yet to determine if a team is over/underrated. And it is not the Celtics fault that the media laps this crap up like an untrained puppy.
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PleatsnCleatsVarsity
232 days ago
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I'm not sure I understand what you mean by this. If I did a study on 7 people out of 30 and said, based on the 7, the highest IQ of those 7 is the smartest person of the 30, I'd rightfully be ridiculed as soon as that conclusion came out of my mouth. I think the same principle applies here. And to be clear, I don't think anything I said indicated that I was blaming the Celts. This is the NBA and the media trying to hype up the sport. As I said above, I think it actually harms the team when they do this if the Celts fail to live up to everyone's expectations.
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PleatsnCleatsVarsity
232 days ago
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A negative for that? Danny Ainge must be perusing the site.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
232 days ago
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PNC, don't take my comment personally. You are entitled to your opinion and I have no issues with your article. My point was simply that it was very early in the NBA season. In principle, I don't agree with early prognostications of the mass media prematurely anointing a team/individual "champion". For example, BCS rankings are an absolute joke, as proven by this current topsy-curvy NCAA football season with the ESPN talking heads babbling and gooing over the current flavor of the week. I guess Dennis Green's "Crown'em" tirade really hit home with me, huh?
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PleatsnCleatsVarsity
232 days ago
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No worries at all, I knew I might be walking on hot coals with this one, but I enjoy a good debate (by trade and by choice ;-). I really was just trying to understand the comment, but thank you for clarifying. I'm not who you thought I was!
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Dramatic ChipmunkSoccer Kid
232 days ago
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the drama!
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Hit By a PitchVarsity
232 days ago
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I'd be happy if we could find a way to make the Patriots, Red Sox, and Celtics just play each other all year so the rest of the country wouldn't have to hear about them any more.
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HappyskinnyAll-American
232 days ago
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You didn't have to read or comment on this article, but you did. I don't understand the people that don't want to hear about Boston teams, yet they continue to read the articles on here and comment about them.
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PleatsnCleatsVarsity
232 days ago
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I took this comment as Pitch agreeing with what I said. Wishful thinking?  ;-)
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
232 days ago
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I went back and read your bit on "race." I agree racism is bad, but your point was...?
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PleatsnCleatsVarsity
232 days ago
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My point wasn't really a "point" so much as an observation, and the irony of the current situation given that observation. I think it could certainly be developed because of its relation to the current situation (not in the way you might think), but I will save that for when I have more time, which unfortunately may be never.
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The PipDiv-I Stud
232 days ago
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Over-rated maybe. But I will stick with my pre-season assumptions about this team: 60 wins and team to beat in the east. The part that is not over-rated is their style of play. Team Ball. Yes, we are watching an NBA team play unselfish basketball. Unheard of in this century. They pass the ball, they share the scoring opportunities, and the role players and bench players will be put into situations throughout the year where they can excel because one of the stars passed the ball to them. So the depth issue will be dealt with, slowly, through out the course of the season due to the act of passing. The full squad will touch the ball, and learn how to put the ball into the basket as a result. The stars will make their teammates better. Why are they doing this? Because they all realize they have a 3 year window to win a title and this will be the only chance any of them gets. This is their legacy after the game: Did they step it up when them opportunity presented itself? And right now hey are playing great ball, trying to answer that question with a resounding yes. I listened to the press conference after the Nuggets blow-out and they were talking about all the things they still needed to work on. That's not what over-rated teams say, that's what championship teams say. This team has the talent, the desire, and the character of a champion, all they need to do is just play hard everyday and bring it home. That as you pointed out, is harder than it seems.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
232 days ago
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Not sure why Pip scored a minus from an anonymous lurker. Perhaps someone was blindsided by a well articulated comment?
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PleatsnCleatsVarsity
232 days ago
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I agree with you, for the most part, particularly because they do sound like guys desperate to get a ring - I'll call that the X-factor. I think talk is cheap, though. They are saying the right things, but let's see if they can come with the "real" when it's gut check time. I should point out that I have no problem giving them their credit . . . when it's due.  ;-)
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The PipDiv-I Stud
231 days ago
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So they'll get credit somewhere between their 65th-70th wins?  ;)
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PleatsnCleatsVarsity
231 days ago
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No, somewhere between the 3rd and 4th round of the playoffs. Dallas Mavericks, anyone? No team aims to just be the top team of the regular season. They start to talk about you if you disappear in the first round of the playoffs every year.
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NejoshiDiv-I Stud
232 days ago
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Clearly Boston is the team to beat in the East. The way they have taken it to their competition, they are leaving no doubts. Can't argue with six double digit victories in seven games. As long as the Big Three remains healthy, they are head and shoulders above everyone in that conference. The Western Conference, on the other hand, is a totally different animal. If Boston gets to the Finals, it will make for a very interesting series.
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PleatsnCleatsVarsity
231 days ago
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"Clearly" Boston is the team to beat? Let's see them play ONE top East team first.
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SportsGerbilJV Squad
232 days ago
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http://sport...eatures/best ESPN jumping the gun as usual. This is the network that turned to Stephen A for comments on the Bonds situation. ESPN is going down the toliet fast.
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PleatsnCleatsVarsity
231 days ago
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Wow! That's just awesome. How much did the NBA pay them for this?
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Ea34Div-I Stud
229 days ago
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I am embarassed for ESPN after seeing that!
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Anonymous Fanatic #2
232 days ago
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firstly the celtics don't choose their schedule so what do you want them to do besides go 8-0 with a 17 point average winning margin? secondly, the bench is good enough given they can have atleast one superstar on the court at all times. thirdly, try telling dwayne wade, or the 2004 pistons, or players like deron williams or boobie gibson that playoff experience makes that much of a difference. and lastly, the mavericks had lost like 8 of the last 10 games against the warriors (dont quote me on those numbers) so that wasn't the mavericks breaking down in the playoffs, it was just the same matchup it had been for the last 2 or 3 seasons.
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PleatsnCleatsVarsity
231 days ago
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Well, if they aren't playing top teams, then my point is the hype is unwarranted. My point is if you're going to get hype, I need a combo of a) prior results, and b) current success first. I don't know who chooses the schedule, but I don't think that changes anything.

I am not taking anything away from their achievements THUS FAR. They are playing well, and they look good. But the last three years, they have been to the playoffs as often as you and I have. An 8-0 start says they are in a position to make the playoffs, but success once there? Way too early for all that.

To your second point - the above applies to them, too. It's even worse for them because there are 5 guys on defense, too, so even with one superstar, the bench needs to be better than "good enough" to win in the later rounds of the playoffs, much less win it all. Think of the teams that had a disappearing bench that got embarrassed come playoff time despite hype (Phoenix, Detroit, etc.).

Third, I didn't say anything about needing playoff experience. DWade was with Shaq, who had won 3 rings already, and they had a great supporting cast. The year before the Heat won, they lost to the Pistons in the conference semifinals. Not only that, and to my point above, the Heat and particularly the Pistons got nowhere near the hype that the Celtics are getting. They just got it done. I don't get where Derron Williams and "Boobie" Gibson fit in there, but I never said you needed experience to win. Again, prior results + current achievements = some hype OK.

And lastly, per his track record, Dirk Nowitzki is a soft, not-ready-for-primetime player. Yeah, I said it! That's all I have to say about the Mavs.  ;-)
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Ea34Div-I Stud
229 days ago
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I agree totally. It's true- Dirk Nowitzki is NOT a superstar! He's a very gifted player and a matchup nightmare, but he's not the superstar he's cracked up to be.
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Anonymous Fanatic #3
232 days ago
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the Celtics are not a great team yet, i will agree with that but, they are the best team in the league right now. this isn't even arguable. we may be over hyped right now but, that isn't really Celtic fans doing the over hyping it is the media so i guess you were talking to them. celtic fans are excited and it is only natural for us to be this excited and well... talkative. so leave us alone, we ain't really listeniing to you.

Kobe also has a weak playoof record w/o Shaq so is he over hyped? almost every player in the league, including the superstars has a terrible playoff record. Of course we haven't won anything silly, except the 8 games we have played. give us some time, I am sure we will disappoint you(by winning). It is never to early to prognosticate on weather we will be a great team or not, that is what prognosticating is silly. That is what people do. Just like you are prognosticating we will end up like the mavs last year, we do it saying we will win the championship. Spurs fans did it last year as did mavs fans, suns fans, Pistons fans and so on. sh*t pat riley prognosticated the lakers would win a championship at the championship celebration the year before in 1988. that is just we all do and we are having fun with it. go try and tamper with another teams imagination will you. and last but not least no one is jumping on the bandwagon, i have been a celtic fan throughout- we are just waking up and giving you nightmares. Go back to sleep dude and root for YOUR team, stop hating ours.

CELTICS 82-0 and then 16-0 in the playoffs. GO CELTICS!!!
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PleatsnCleatsVarsity
231 days ago
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Anon, Celtics fans are far (far!) and few between where I live, so yes, I'm talking to the media.

I don't know if you read or just skimmed, but I'm not saying anything about what they will do or won't do.

If someone had written the same thing about my favorite team (which has won championships since the Reagan administration), I wouldn't like the bandwagon either. Especially if we hadn't won in years. I'd much rather let people sleep and then win it. It makes winning that much sweeter. As an added bonus, you reduce the side-effects of foot-in-mouth disease if the team doesn't do what you said.

Case-in-point: Richard Williams, Venus and Serena's dad, overhyped them from the beginning. He was saying that Serena was better than Venus and Serena had never played a single professional match. Of course, they called him nuts. Well, no one is calling him nuts, now.

The counter-example: Guaran-Sheed. No one is listening to him, now.
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Anonymous Fanatic #4
230 days ago
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BOSTON is tops in the East and face the reality that these Celtics will win it all...mark my words for as long as the 3 are healthy...they are 11-0 and counting as long as the big 3 start including the preseason, it is not their fault that they are playing in the east and just because they have not won anything yet does not mean they won't win it all, that is the ain reason why all three don't care about stats anymore, they want the whole pie....do this article again in April and lets see who's dead wrong about the C's.
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PleatsnCleatsVarsity
230 days ago
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You all have to be skimming. lol. They may well do all of that and then some, may even win a 'ship. They would still overrated at this point using the information we have available to us right now.
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Anonymous Fanatic #5
230 days ago
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What are top teams in the East? There is only one at this point: Detroit. Orlando can be called overrated at this point too based on this criteria.
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Anonymous Fanatic #6
230 days ago
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I haven't heard too much "rating" on Orlando for it to be considered "over-rated."
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Anonymous Fanatic #5
230 days ago
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Celtics are doing what they should against lesser teams for the most part--blowing them out.
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Anonymous Fanatic #7
230 days ago
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This article sounds like jealousy to me. LOL
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Anonymous Fanatic #6
230 days ago
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Trust me . . . I have no reason to be jealous. ;-)
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PleatsnCleatsVarsity
230 days ago
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Oops, I meant *I* have no reason to be jealous.
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Oh No RomoDraft Pick
230 days ago
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I checked out the full article, very good
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Anonymous Fanatic #8
230 days ago
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Fuck the Celtics!
This user is a New York Knicks fan.
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PleatsnCleatsVarsity
227 days ago
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I'm sorry for your pain, Anon 8.
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