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Pittsburgh Gunny
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Premier League Abroad?

by Pittsburgh Gunny
created February 14, 2008, last edited March 28, 2008
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Last Thursday the 20 Premier League clubs decided to look into the possibility of creating an extra round of matches that would be played outside of England. In this plan the extra round would be played in various cities across the globe. Cities wanting to host the matches would bid for the right. Overall that is another 10 games to be played that would be played in 5 different cities.

Why would the Premier League consider such a radical adjustment to their domestic schedule? Certainly the Premier League had to take notice when the NFL and NHL staged regular season games in England recently which drew huge crowds. The Premier League also knows they have some of the highest earning revenue clubs in the world. The recently released list from Deloitte, a business consultancy which compiles a list of the world's highest revenue earning football clubs, lists 6 English clubs in amongst the top 20 of highest earning clubs in the world. Clearly it seems that the Premier League sees an opportunity to increase revenue even more.

When I first heard of this I had to step back and think about it because quite honestly I do not know if I am for it or against it. On the surface the plus is that supporters of particular teams may at last get to see their heros actually play a competitive fixture live without having to spend the money to travel to England. The first negative I thought of is how to pick which teams play. Right now the Premier League season is arranged that each team plays all the others home and away for a nice neat 38 game schedule. Adding a 39th fixture introduces all sorts of problems. One article I read suggested that the league hold a draw to determine the match ups for this 39th fixture. To me it seems that this will do nothing but fuel controversy. For example say Fulham, who are fighting relegation this season, get drawn to play a third time against Manchester United for this 39th match. It seems reasonable to assume that United will be an overwhelming crowd favorite whereever this match is held. Fulham would face an uphill battle and perhaps their relegation also depends on what happens to Wigan Athletic. Maybe Wigan get drawn against a more beatable foe such as Newcastle United. Is it fair to Fulham? Doesn't seem so to me.

In the short term there has been opposition to this proposal. The Asian Football Confederation (AFC), the body which governs the sport in Asia is against the plan. AFC President Mohamed bin Hamman told the BBC "We'll vote strongly against it. The Premier League is putting money before responsibility and dignity." Other reactions have been lukewarm at best. US Soccer President Sunil Gulati has not outright opposed the idea but has said that the matter should be handled by FIFA and that US Soccer would abide and follow whatever is set forth by the World's governing body. I have not found any official reaction from FIFA but rumors are present that President Sepp Blatter is not to keen to see this happen.

Another aspect of this move that bothers me is how this will affect the domestic leagues in the countries that host the games. The J-League is Japan's domestic top flight and is a relatively young league only starting operations in 1993. The J-League has worked hard to become one of the best leagues in Asia and has certainly raised the level of quality in the Japanese National Team. So I was not surprised by the reaction of Junji Ogura the Vice-President of the Japanese Football Association. Mr. Ogura said "It sounds problematic. We are, in principle, opposed to having Premier League games in Japan as we have to protect our league and clubs. In Japan, we don't allow anyone to play a match that involves only foreign clubs and no Japanese clubs." Protecting the domestic game is a concern. The J-League as well as Major League Soccer have worked to build leagues that foster and develop domestic talent part of that is also trying to build the domestic fanbase bringing in Premier League games may draw fans away from their domestic leagues. Of course the flamboyant General Manager of the Los Angeles Galaxy, Alexi Lalas had his own unique perspective, "They can come over and play these games and people can come and check it out, but I think they are going to leave the stadium more often than not thinking: 'You know what? I can get much better value and more excitement by going to see my Galaxy play.' We do not have a monopoly on crap soccer - it's played all over the world."

So I am still not settled on how to view this proposed 39th fixture. From what I have read it doesn't seem that I have to rush to a conclusion as a decision is unlikely prior to January 2011. Until then C'MON THE ARSENAL! (you knew I had to get that last bit in)


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SSreportersLegend
239 days ago
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Of course the flamboyant General Manager of the Los Angeles Galaxy, Alexei Lalas had his own unique perspective, "They can come over and play these games and people can come and check it out, but I think they are going to leave the stadium more often than not thinking: 'You know what? I can get much better value and more excitement by going to see my Galaxy play.' We do not have a monopoly on crap soccer - it's played all over the world." homer_brain_small_2.jpg
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Pittsburgh GunnyDraft Pick
239 days ago
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LOL Now, that was funny!
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SSreportersLegend
239 days ago
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Well, I can't blame you for the Arsenal statement. Apparently no Rooney = No win. Now 5 points down, essentially you guys have to lose at Old Trafford and Stamford Bridge (please don't lose to Chelski), for United to even have the slightest chance of winning the title.
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Pittsburgh GunnyDraft Pick
239 days ago
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Well dear SSreporters it should be very interesting this weekend as we face off in the FA Cup.

Oh and yes I am going to fork out the $10 to go and watch it live at the local pub.

PS, chelski can go suck a lemon.
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SSreportersLegend
239 days ago
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Hmm...interesting, the foreign (mainly American) owners seem to like this deal. I don't know, in a league where there is no playoff system, in which any game is vital, I don't think it should be played abroad.
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ThecrookedcapAll-Star
239 days ago
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I'm not 100%, but I'm leaning towards favoring it. The Premier League is the biggest league in the world because of its global fanbase, and I believe this is the future of sports leagues (spending periods of the season abroad). With the AFC's decision, it takes out a lot of the places they would want to go: Japan, Malaysia, Australia. If I was in charge of US Soccer and MLS, I would welcome them with open arms and use this as an opportunity to build local fanbases. Arrange with the Premier League to play the games all the games in the U.S., sometime in March (when the weather in more agreeable in the Northern climes). Time MLS's start for the season with the Premier League games, and open the season with MLS-EPL doubleheaders.
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Pittsburgh GunnyDraft Pick
239 days ago
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I hereby nominate Thecrookedcap as Commissioner of Major League Soccer.
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ThecrookedcapAll-Star
239 days ago
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Question: If they do play regular season games in the US, would you go?
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SSreportersLegend
239 days ago
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Depending on the teams. If it is, let's say Aston Villa vs. Everton, I would go. If it's something like Bolton vs. Portsmouth, heck no.
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Pittsburgh GunnyDraft Pick
239 days ago
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Depends on who would be playing I suppose. I have gone to some of the preseason friendlies that have been held over here. But more than likely I would have to venture a yes and say that I would go. Would you go as well?
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ThecrookedcapAll-Star
239 days ago
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Yes. I'd even take a Boro-Wigan game if it was in NY or Philly.
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SSreportersLegend
239 days ago
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I thought you wanted to see soccer teams? Boro-Wigan?
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ThecrookedcapAll-Star
239 days ago
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Not that I would have to worry, since they would certainly give at least one great team to a game in New York.
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Pittsburgh GunnyDraft Pick
239 days ago
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If New York did get some games they would have to change out that horrid pitch at Giants Stadium I cannot see Premier League teams playing on that plastic stuff, what do they call it....field turf?
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ThecrookedcapAll-Star
239 days ago
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They're building a new stadium at the Meadowlands that would be completed by the time this whole scenario would start.
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Pittsburgh GunnyDraft Pick
239 days ago
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Really? I had not heard that. Just goes to show that you learn something new every day.
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
239 days ago
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There is a rule that says no "domestic" match in England can be played on a "plastic pitch". Which means any English League/Cup match must be played on grass. Artifical surfaces were unpopular by everybody that played on them when they were present in the 80s, so the FA banned them.
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
239 days ago
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This is the single stupidest idea the FA has come up with... well, this week?

The season is already crowded enough with 38 Premier League games, FA Cup games, League Cup games, European games. You can have up to 60 fixtures a season. That's far too many. Really, it needs to be contracted, not expanded.

Happily, Asia doesn't want it, and the media are against it too. So are most players, managers and former pros. The only people really in favour are the Chairmen, who want the money.

The whole point of football (originally) was that it was a working man's game. Flying teams over to Tokyo, New York, Sydney etc. would break this rule. Fans already hate how they are being priced out of seeing their teams play. This would just turn fans against their clubs even more. It would hurt the game in the long run.
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SSreportersLegend
239 days ago
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I know what the US wants...but you'd all just get mad and I'll be minused 5 times.
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Pittsburgh GunnyDraft Pick
239 days ago
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Alex, this isn't coming from the FA but from the Premier League. I should imagine even if the FA were against it the Premier League would just tell them to shove off. Please SS tell us what the US wants, the suspense is killing me.
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SSreportersLegend
239 days ago
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Sorry, the US owners (I bet you) are backing this, and the USSF wants it to, I don't buy that "reluctant" crap from Sunil Gulati.

More foreign owners = Wanting to play abroad to make money in certain regions

More US Owners = US takes over Premier League, starts playing more games in the US.
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SSreportersLegend
239 days ago
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Translation: I'm not a fan of so much foreign ownership.
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Pittsburgh GunnyDraft Pick
239 days ago
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Nothing to minus there SSR seems somewhat logical from the foriegn owners POV. However, I just read a report this morning that the American owners of Liverpool are very close to selling the club to that group out of Dubai. Gulati IMO was just playing it safe not hoping to upset anyone.
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SSreportersLegend
239 days ago
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Thanks for no minuses. And Liverpool can do whatever they want....they are still crap without Torres and Man Utd will pound them into the ground.
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
239 days ago
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The FA owns the Premier League.
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Pittsburgh GunnyDraft Pick
239 days ago
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On that point my good SSreporters we definetly agree. You know the one about Liverpool being crap without Torres.
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Pittsburgh GunnyDraft Pick
239 days ago
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Understood Alex but from what I have read the idea is coming from the League meaning the clubs themselves, it did not originate from the FA. And somehow I do not think the FA would stand in the way of the behemoth that the Premier League has become.
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
239 days ago
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You're quite right, even some senior members of the FA don't like the idea. David Davies for one. The problem was the FA announced it on their behalf. Sadly, it's all about money, and not sport.
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ThecrookedcapAll-Star
239 days ago
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If there is one complaint about the concept, it's that it would create an unbalanced schedule. One of the things that's great about most soccer leagues is the fairness of the schedule. You can't complain about your team losing the title because the other team played an easier schedule; your team lost because it couldn't play better against the other 19 teams.
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
239 days ago
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A better system to play matches abroad would be a pre-season warm up competition. 20 Premier League + 12 Scottish Premier teams, then play a tournament in a country somewhere as a warm up to the season. 8 groups of 4, top 2 go through to knockout stage. Job done.
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RawbeezeitzAAA-er
239 days ago
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Horrible idea. The League schedule has perfect symmetry and fairness. EPL should encourage teams to play friendlies abroad in the summer, but having actual matches outside the country is completely lame. As cool as it would be to have Arsenal playing down the street in Foxborough, I'd rather keep the League schedule the way it is.
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