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L.A. Sports Blog: D’Antoni to Knicks a Great Decision, Jon Barry Still Useless

by LASportsblog
created May 11, 2008, last edited June 03, 2008
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By: Jeff Girouard

I’ll be the first to admit… I’m going to miss this guy.


The first quarter tirades, the obsessive pacing on the sideline, the complete lack of humility or respect for other teams and players- it’s all classic. And that smug look he gives refs and journalists: a sarcastic smirk, arms all akimbo- it’s the same look I give my roommates when I get home and they’re watching “The Hills.”

He’s a cartoon, but he gets away with it because he wins games. So I ask you: is he not a perfect fit in New York?

Jon Barry doesn’t think so. He has gone on record as saying Chicago would have been a much better fit for the former Italian League star, noting: “I don’t know how much patience they are going to have in New York.”

Insightful.  

If he went to Chicago, people in the windy city would be thinking a deep playoff run in year one, with the personnel they have. New Yorkers are expecting some significant roster moves and know that not even J.C. could fix this salary-cap atrocity in one season.

D’Antoni goes from a sixth seed with three aging stars and championship expectations until Steve Nash retires, to an organization that has nowhere else to go, but up.  

Barry went on to stick his foot squarely in his mouth once more, when asked if he thought D’Antoni has at least the right choice from the Knicks perspective. “I don’t know if there is a right candidate for the situation that they are in.”

Nice, Jon. But short of folding one of the most storied franchises in NBA history, wouldn’t you admit that the man, who turned around Stephon Marbury’s last team, might be a good choice to fix his current one?

AND the Knicks have some talent, just no direction. Jamaal Crawford would flourish in D’Antoni’s up-tempo offense, as would David Lee, Renaldo Balkman, Wilson Chandler and former Sun’s selection Nate Robinson.

New York actually owns their first round pick this season, so don’t be surprised if New York magically ends up with a top 2 pick (they had the fifth worst record in the league).

But I mean it’s not like there’s a precedent for such a thing…right?

If there is no coup in the upcoming lottery, a top 5 pick could be used as a bartering chip. Jose Calderon would be an ideal fit for the D’Antoni system. He is a free agent this offseason and a high pick might just push a sign-and-trade for the efficient Spaniard over the top. Seriously, what is a better scenario: a veteran who had nearly a 7-1 assist to turnover ratio or O.J. Mayo.

So Mr. Walsh, you’ve got some work ahead of you, but this is an excellent start.


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SSreportersHall of Famer
69 days ago
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Sorry, the Knicks won't do anything useful until Mr. Dolan is in the Hudson. I don't think the D'Antoni hiring is bad, but they could do better. Should've gotten Avery Johnson.
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Taytay 24Div-I Stud
68 days ago
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Avery wouldn't have been a good fit for New York. He has no patience for player error and yet he makes too many mistakes himself. The NY media would have killed him. He'll learn, but for now he's got a lot of it still to do. If Pop were a few years older, I could see Avery joining the Spurs staff as an assistant and taking over in a few years. But I think Popovich has more than just a couple years left in him and Avery certainly doesn't need to wait for that.
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SSreportersHall of Famer
69 days ago
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I'm with you on Jon Barry....
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LASportsblogAAA-er
69 days ago
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If it wasn't D'Antoni- it was going to be Mark Jackson.
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SSreportersHall of Famer
69 days ago
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Which would spare us his awful announcing skills on ABC. Mark: You see Kwame Brown on the low post catching the ball. Probably one of the top 500 centers to ever catch a ball of all time.
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LASportsblogAAA-er
68 days ago
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That's funny - we never remember Kwame ever catching a ball in the low post, hight post, on the elbow or practically anywhere on the offense end of the floor.
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Pas493JV Squad
68 days ago
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I don't get why the money was the deciding factor wouldnt like 4 million in Chicago be equal out to like 6 mil in New York b/c of cost of living and what not. And I def like the Bulls personael a lot more.
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NBA SuperblogVarsity
68 days ago
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Hmmm ... that is an interesting point (about the cost of living), Pas493. Chicago does have the better roster and are in position to compete sooner, but I still think D'Antoni was the right choice for New York and they were the right choice for him. New York is the biggest market in American sports and the Knicks share real estate with David Stern and his co-conspirators. They are essentially the "home team" of the NBA. If D'Antoni makes the Knicks even mediocre - and remember that the Hawks made the playoffs with just 37 wins - he will be rewarded and celebrated in Gotham. The rewards highly outweigh the risks.
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LASportsblogAAA-er
68 days ago
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Agreed. D'Antoni's style will at least make the Knicks watchable next season.

If he went to the Bulls (Nate's favorite team btw), the expectations would be unreasonable for the talent they have.

Right now the Knicks would be happy to sniff .500

-Jeff Girouard
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KelsdadAll-Star
68 days ago
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There's 24 million reasons why D'Antoni went to New York, none of which have to do with basketball. And the cost of living difference between Chicago and New York is negligible, both are in the top five most expensive cities to live in the US.
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LASportsblogAAA-er
68 days ago
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http://realg..._made_offer/
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KelsdadAll-Star
68 days ago
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Who did he interview with first?

The Bulls.

So, what's your point?
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LASportsblogAAA-er
68 days ago
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You're point was that his decision had nothing to do with basketball.

"There's 24 million reasons why D'Antoni went to New York, none of which have to do with basketball."

My point is that it did.
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KelsdadAll-Star
68 days ago
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I live in Phoenix, LA. I get to listen to news reports, read the paper, and, most importantly, D'Antoni himself. Money was first. If basketball was first, he would have gone to Chicago.
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LASportsblogAAA-er
68 days ago
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Relax Kelsdad. It's Mother's Day...You keep changing your argument.

First you say: "There's 24 million reasons why D'Antoni went to New York, none of which have to do with basketball."

Now you say: "Money was first. If basketball was first, he would have gone to Chicago."

I would be the last person to defend D'Antoni, but to say basketball had nothing to do with his decision is just naive.

Why don't you understand that the expectations in Chicago would be far too unreasonable for the talent level on that team? The Knicks at least present a challenge. If he gets to the playoffs with the Bulls so what, they aren't getting past round 2 with that roster.

If the Knicks are an Eight seed next year, it would be a rousing success.
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KelsdadAll-Star
68 days ago
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First you say: "There's 24 million reasons why D'Antoni went to New York, none of which have to do with basketball."

Now you say: "Money was first. If basketball was first, he would have gone to Chicago."


Both quotes say exactly the same thing, LA.
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LASportsblogAAA-er
68 days ago
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In the first quote you say explicitly say that basketball had nothing to do with his decision- the second quote says it was a matter of priorities. Look man I'm not trying to get into it with you. Perhaps you should stick to the diamond knowledge.
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KelsdadAll-Star
68 days ago
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My knowledge of both the Knicks and Suns far exceeds yours. If we were talking about some obsolete, who gives a crap Sonics/Sixers argument, then you would have a point.

In this discussion, you are in over your head.

In my first quote, I said basketball had nothing to do with his decision, it was money. In my second quote, I say it was a matte of priorities...which was money.

I'm confused, LA. Please explain where you see the difference between money and money?
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LASportsblogAAA-er
68 days ago
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I'm not going to argue shades of gray with some old man. You are clearly bitter over your receeding hairline and those frequent AARP mailings. Deal with it and write something that gets more than 8 votes.
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KelsdadAll-Star
68 days ago
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When you accomplish what I have, both professionally and journalistically, let me know. Til then, keep eating your sour grapes.
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LASportsblogAAA-er
68 days ago
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When I do... I won't be on AGM. Spend some of that money on a life.
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KelsdadAll-Star
68 days ago
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AGM is an outlet, it's not a resume. I'm here because I want to be, not because I have a website to promote.

Kelsdad is a user name, not a real name. You have no idea who I am. You have no idea of what I know, or what I have accomplished, or what I will.

You go to bed at night and dream to be me.
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False ProphetAll-Star
67 days ago
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most people don't dream of being a ornery old man that thinks that his age means he is better than everyone else. Most people dream of doing something productive with their life instead of trying to prove themselves to be a typical new york style a-hole to a bunch of students.
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KelsdadAll-Star
67 days ago
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My birthday is on my profile. Not my birthyear. You all assume I'm an old, senile, incontenant, receding hairline, getting AARP flyers in the mail man.

Your problem, not mine.

And what I said earlier is all that matters. Especially to you, FP, you jealous journalist/athlete wannabe.
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JuTMSY4Hall of Famer
67 days ago
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For you southpark fans: "I don't know, I don't wanna know...I'm out!"
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KelsdadAll-Star
67 days ago
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So what actually have I accomplished in my life. FP? And what makes you think you'll accomplish more?
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False ProphetAll-Star
67 days ago
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1. I've got plenty of stuff to make me believe I'll be pretty damn successful.

2. I AM an athlete. I'll admit I ain't that great of one in most sports, but nonetheless I am an athlete.

3. Sports Journalism = Overrated. 9 times out of 10 its pure luck that they get their jobs.

4. If you aren't senile, you can't be that far off. You've been a yankees fan since the late sixties. Giving you the Benefit of the doubt, you're in your early to mid 50s.

5. You have no idea who I am. You're just as guilty as I am of making assumptions.

6. You're the one trying to prove something here, not me. I'm just calling your bluff
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SSreportersHall of Famer
67 days ago
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Watch it FP. Kels' actual name is Chuck. chuck_norris.jpg
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SSreportersHall of Famer
67 days ago
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What's funny FP, is I'm a student as well. My dad lived in New York (Brooklyn...mmm...deli) for 15 years yet isn't an a-hole, and Kels has never been an a-hole to me. A typical New Yorker? Funny, my dad said they aren't a-holes as much as they are "truthful".
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KelsdadAll-Star
67 days ago
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1. I've got plenty of stuff to make me believe I'll be pretty damn successful. congratulations.

2. I AM an athlete. I'll admit I ain't that great of one in most sports, but nonetheless I am an athlete. If you're not great, then you are just a player, not an athlete. Michael Jordan was a great basketball player, but a shit athlete.

3. Sports Journalism = Overrated. 9 times out of 10 its pure luck that they get their jobs. Agree. And what does that have to do with the conversation?

4. If you aren't senile, you can't be that far off. You've been a yankees fan since the late sixties. Giving you the Benefit of the doubt, you're in your early to mid 50s. doesn't matter.

5. You have no idea who I am. You're just as guilty as I am of making assumptions. You're under 20, which makes you nobody."""

6. You're the one trying to prove something here, not me. I'm just calling your bluff. Good thing you don't play poker for a living. I don't need to prove anything, I'm already there. If, and when, you reach my level, we'll go have a beer. Til then, keep dreaming.
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False ProphetAll-Star
67 days ago
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no duh you're a student SSR, you told me that yesterday. Not all NYers are A-holes, but KD fits the mold of a typical NY A-Hole, you just haven't called him out for his complete and utter bullsh*t yet
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KelsdadAll-Star
67 days ago
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Disprove anything I have ever said on this site, FP. Til you do, that makes you the asshole.
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False ProphetAll-Star
67 days ago
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I'll come out to AZ and bring you a Beer in your retirement home in a couple years KD.
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KelsdadAll-Star
67 days ago
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And if you read my profile, it clearly says I'm from Connecticut.
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SSreportersHall of Famer
67 days ago
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A typical one? Please, extrapolate for me.
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SSreportersHall of Famer
67 days ago
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Want to try typical east coast a-hole?
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False ProphetAll-Star
67 days ago
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just because you do something for a living doesn't mean you're correct when you talk about it, KD. You can be a facking manager for all I care, it doesn't make you right about anything. Simply stating you're a scout doesn't disprove anything SSR, or LASportsblog said. You still have to back up what you say with facts.
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KelsdadAll-Star
67 days ago
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Tell you what, FP. Fly to Arizona tomorrow and we'll see if you can beat me in anything athletic. Manny lives a few miles from me, he can video record it for an Armchair exclusive. You in?
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SSreportersHall of Famer
67 days ago
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Give him proof Kels....
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False ProphetAll-Star
67 days ago
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NY, Connecticut, both east coast. Therefore, they're both crap. If you get me a ticket out to Phoenix, and ride out to wherever it is you live, I'll consider it.
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SSreportersHall of Famer
67 days ago
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I'll let you two figure this one out...
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KelsdadAll-Star
67 days ago
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As an outsider, FP, I see your point. You need proof. Fine. When you're old enough to drink, when you're a cardcarrying alumni member, you can question my credentials. Since you're just some high school age wannabe who will likely make his career OUTSIDE sports, you have no right to question me.
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KelsdadAll-Star
67 days ago
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Why, SS?

I busted my ass to prove to people I have what it takes to be a contributing part of an organization. Miles and miles of driving. Staying in flea bag hotels. Eating crap food. And the only reason I even got an interview is my wife's uncle played in Puerto Rico for 13 years, and is in the same field. What that douchebag knows about baseball wouldn't cover the head of a sewing needle, and I need to show proof to him?

Right.
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SSreportersHall of Famer
67 days ago
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Okay...proof enough.
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KelsdadAll-Star
67 days ago
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Yet, you're favorite team is from New England? Look up hypocrite in the dictionary, you'll find your picture.
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Agent0Red-Shirting
67 days ago
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oh shit! SSR in other peoples business!


damn...I just got into it too...hypocrite
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False ProphetAll-Star
67 days ago
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West Coast > East Coast KD. Plain and Simple. Pats are unfortunately an East Coast team, but I still despise the East Coast. Most everyone on the East Coast, or from the East Coast thinks the rest of the world ought to follow their lead. Again, you can be a facking manager for all I care. It still doesn't make you right.
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SSreportersHall of Famer
68 days ago
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Stop it guys....
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KelsdadAll-Star
68 days ago
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I've seen more live baseball in the last two weeks than you have in your lifetime.

Why?

Because a ML organization is paying me.

Until you can say the same thing, you shouldn't bother with me.
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SSreportersHall of Famer
68 days ago
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Paying you in the form of lap dances? :)
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KelsdadAll-Star
68 days ago
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Spoken like a true wannabe..
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SSreportersHall of Famer
68 days ago
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I'm guessing it is the D'Backs? What else are you required to do?
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JuTMSY4Hall of Famer
67 days ago
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i gotta chime in here...but most scouts don't chill out in the same region as the team...

that being said, I have a buddy who is also a scout...

then again, he doesn't exactly get paid for his services (yet?)...but its fun none the less...

independent minor league baseball is awesome!
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KelsdadAll-Star
67 days ago
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So, JuT, was there a point to your rant?
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JuTMSY4Hall of Famer
67 days ago
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well...

A) not all scouts get paid...its a very interesting profession

B) Why assume d-bags...if anything, they're the least likely
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KelsdadAll-Star
67 days ago
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All scouts get paid
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KelsdadAll-Star
67 days ago
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It's actually the Mariners. Now what?
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SSreportersHall of Famer
67 days ago
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I thought you said you were covering a baseball team?
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KelsdadAll-Star
67 days ago
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So when the Mariners get to the World Series, I'm giving my passes to hoch.

All access.

That's what you get for being a disbelieving wiseass.
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SSreportersHall of Famer
67 days ago
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Whoa whoa whoa whoa....When?
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JuTMSY4Hall of Famer
67 days ago
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will you get a ring?
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KelsdadAll-Star
67 days ago
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Does it matter?
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KelsdadAll-Star
67 days ago
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Yes.
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JuTMSY4Hall of Famer
67 days ago
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took you a while...i was making a quick sox joke...
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SSreportersHall of Famer
67 days ago
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The minus monster will come because you made fun of Boston...so plusses for you for the smart joke.
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JuTMSY4Hall of Famer
67 days ago
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they gave out rings to everyone... like security guards at fenway everyone!
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KelsdadAll-Star
67 days ago
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Teams that win the WS give rings to all employees. They are, however, a much cheaper variety than what the players receive. The clubhouse guy or the broadcaster or the bus driver gets a $2000 ring, the players ring is 10 times that.
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JuTMSY4Hall of Famer
67 days ago
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if you turn down a 2k ring, I'll take it...
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KelsdadAll-Star
67 days ago
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damn straight
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NBA SuperblogVarsity
67 days ago
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So, uh, this post was about Mike D'Antoni or something. You kids need to stop provoking Kelsdad. He's one of the few posters on AMG that will engage in actual dialogue about sports. The rest of you kids need to get off the computer and go out and try to meet girls so that you can have your "first time". This might help you become more mature. The adults will stay here and discuss sports topics in a civilized manner. I'm afraid that this once great sports message board has officially jumped the shark. Hurry, someone comment on the original post before it's too late!
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LASportsblogAAA-er
67 days ago
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This is NG, Happy Mother's day everyone, looks like I missed quite a bit today. Superblog coming with the humor. I'm still on tilt about your little soccer poll though. Still think it was lame. Nonetheless, I agree here, Jeff and KD talked it out, if there are people provoking either of them beyond that they shouldn't be. But I'm not gonna go through every comment to see if it's actually happening or not.
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Agent0Red-Shirting
67 days ago
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NBAsuperblog...that last line kind of reminds me of Anchorman...when Steve Carell's character screams, "I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE ARE YELLING ABOUT!"
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Agent0Red-Shirting
67 days ago
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Oh and LASB...great article and oyu make great points...they have nowhere to go but up and imagine if they can somehow get Beasley and sign Calderon...Calderon, Crawford, Chander/Balkman, Lee, and Beasley...promising
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NBA SuperblogVarsity
67 days ago
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Calderon to the Knicks is a very interesting idea, Agent0. He's really talented and is a D'Antoni type of player. That would be a great move that would go under the radar until the season begins.
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