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Niteowl049
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Baseball Notebook: LSD No-Hitter and Other No-Hitters

by Niteowl049
created March 27, 2008, last edited June 03, 2008
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Dock Ellis Pitches Under Influence of LSD

On June 12, 1970, Dock Ellis of the Pittsburgh Pirates pitched a 2-0 no-hit win over the San Diego Padres in the first game of the doubleheader. It wasn't until April of 1984 that he disclosed to the press that he had pitched that game under the influence of LSD.

For some reason, Ellis thought the Pirates had the day off, but his girlfriend noticed in the newspaper that the Pirates were playing that night and he was to pitch the first game of a doubleheader. Since he was thinking he had the day off, he was relaxing in his home in Los Angeles. So he had to fly to San Diego and got there just in time to make his start at 6:05 PM. In 1970, that flight cost $9.50. Only six hours earlier he had taken some LSD so it was still working in his system.

Ellis walked eight batters and hit one batter in the game. This is one of the quotes he made about that game:

"The ball was small sometimes, it was large sometimes. Sometimes I saw the catcher sometimes I didn't." He also said the catcher Jerry May had reflective tape on his fingers that night so Ellis could see the target better on the occasions when he actually saw the catcher.

On May 1, 1974 he tried to hit every Cincinnati Reds batter in the lineup. He hit Pete Rose, Joe Morgan, and Dan Driessen. He tried to hit Tony Perez, but drew a walk instead. When he aimed two pitches at the head of Johnny Bench, he was removed from the game by his manager Danny Murtaugh.

According to dallasobserver.com, Ellis says at that he would hit Barry Bonds once a game because he uses all that armor. My personal thought is that Bonds looks more like he is going to war back in medieval times than going to bat in a baseball game.

Back to Ellis... He was born in Los Angeles on March 11, 1945 and is now 63. He had a 138-119 record in the majors with a decent ERA of 3.46. In 1971 he was 19-9 with the Pirates and in 1976 he was 17-8 with the New York Yankees. After retiring he became a drug counselor.

Ken Johnson Loses No-Hitter

Ken Johnson of the Houston Astros was the first pitcher in Major League history to pitch a no-hitter and lose the game. It was on April 23, 1964. After eight innings, the game was tied 0-0. In the ninth inning, Pete Rose tried to bunt for a hit with one out but reached second after a throwing error by Johnson. Then Rose advanced to third on a groundout and then Nellie Fox made an error on an easy grounder allowing Rose to score the go ahead run. Joe Nuxhall, who pitched a great game himself that day, kept the Astros from scoring in the ninth as the Reds won the game 1-0. Johnson couldn't blame anyone but himself since he made the two base throwing error that put Rose in scoring position.

One of the most amazing things about that game is that Joe Nuxhall, the opposing pitcher was the first batter in the ninth inning. However, Nuxhall did hit 15 home runs in his career. Johnson was born June 16, 1933 in West Palm Beach, Florida. After retiring, he managed the Louisiana College Wildcats baseball team in Pineville, Louisiana which was four blocks from our house when we were still in Louisiana. Johnson finished his thirteen year career with a 91-106 record.

No-Hit Pitchers Who Flamed Out

Bobo Holloman of the St. Louis Browns is the only pitcher to pitch a no-hitter in his first major league start. He pitched his no-hitter against the Philadelphia Athletics, who lost the game 6-0 on May 6, 1953. Only 2,473 fans witnessed the no-hitter. Holloman drove in three runs and and he had the only two hits of his major league career. He never pitched another complete game and finished the season and his career with a 3-7 record and never played in majors after that season. Incidentally, Clay Buchholz pitched his no-hitter last season in his second start.

Bo Belinsky of the California Angels pitched a no-hitter on May 5, 1962 defeating the Baltimore Orioles 2-0. It was the first no-hitter in Angels history and the first ever pitched at Dodger Stadium. He was only to win 28 games in his career, and was more famous for his womanizing than for getting batters out. He was known to have dated Connie Stevens, Tina Louise (of Gilligan's Island fame), Juliet Prowse, Ann-Margret, and Mamie Van Doren. He married the 1965 Playboy Playmate of the Year, Jo Collins, and they were married from 1970 to 1975.

Belinsky reached rock bottom when he was forced to live under a bridge, but rejuvenated his life to the point that he became a Christian and was active in his church before his death on November 23, 2001.

Bud Smith of the St. Louis Cardinals defeated the San Diego Padres 4-0 when he pitched his no-hitter on September 3, 2001. It was only one of seven major league wins he would post in his career. He had a 6.94 ERA the next season. In 2002, he was part of the trade that sent Scott Rolen to the Cardinals. He is no longer playing baseball.

Mike Warren pitched a no-hitter for the Oakland A's against the Chicago White Sox on September 29, 1983 taking a 3-0 win. He finished his career with a 9-13 record.

Joe Cowley of the White Sox pitched a no-hitter against the Angels on September 19, 1986. He finished his career with a 33-25 record. Cowley was the only pitcher in major league history to never win another game after pitching a no-hitter.

Jose Jimenez of the Cardinals pitched a no-hitter, defeating Randy Johnson and the Arizona Diamondbacks 1-0 on June 25, 1999. He finished his career with a 24-44 record.

Anibal Sanchez of the Florida Marlins pitched a no-hitter against the Diamondbacks on September 6, 2006. He was recently sent to the minors by the Marlins during spring training. He has a 12-4 record. It will be interesting to see if Sanchez makes it back to the major leagues this season. He was one of the Boston Red Sox players sent to the Marlins in the trade that sent Mike Lowell and Josh Beckett to the Red Sox. Sanchez had surgery last season so still may rejoin the Marlins before the season is over.

No-Hitter Notes

  • Four teams still playing today have never had a no-hit game; the teams are:
  1. New York Mets, who are 46 years old
  2. San Diego Padres
  3. Colorado Rockies
  4. Tampa Bay Rays
  • Nolan Ryan leads all pitchers in most no-hitters with an amazing seven no-hitters. Sandy Koufax had four no-hitters.
    • Cy Young, Larry Corcoran, and Bob Feller are the only other pitchers to have more than two no-hitters and have all won three no hitters.
  • 25 pitchers have thrown more than one no-hitter.
  • Bob Feller threw the only Opening Day no-hitter.
  • Clay Buchholz was the first Red Sox rookie to ever pitch a no-hitter.

Spring Training Notebook

Kelvim Escobar is concerned about a right shoulder injury that could possibly be career ending. Losing Escobar for an extended time period this season after winning 18 games in 2007 could cripple the Angels' rotation. With John Lackey on the DL, the Angels will have to find someone to replace the two pitchers who won 37 games last season combined.

Jose Cruz Jr. is making a strong bid to make the Houston Astros roster this spring. He leads the team in RBIs with 18. Only Jim Thome and Robinson Cano have more RBIs than Cruz with 19 each. C.C. Sabathia (3-0 this spring) defeated the Astros 7-6. It may be only spring training games, but Dontrelle Willis has to be concerned with his 1-3 record and an 8.64 ERA. He has walked 15 while striking out 12, which is never good for a pitcher. Brett Myers (3-0) pitched five shutout innings against the New York Yankees, and allowed only 2 hits in the Philadelphia Phillies 4-0 win over the Yankees. Myers has a tremendous 1.13 ERA this spring. Chien-Ming Wang (2-2) took the loss and left the game with a 8.04 ERA. Phillies pitchers only allowed four singles by the Yankees.

Jesse Litsch, who defeated the Cincinnati Reds 6-3 yesterday, is the only Toronto Blue Jays pitcher with more one win, as his record went to 3-2 this spring. Frank Thomas became the eleventh Blue Jay to have only one home run this spring, and has one home run in 43 at bats. It has to be a concern when Marco Scutaro with 9 and David Eckstein with 8 lead the team in RBIs.

Barry Zito has reached rock bottom losing to the Fresno Grizzlies yesterday. Zito didn't pitch that badly allowing three earned runs in 6 2/3 innings, but still took the loss. The Chicago Cubs overcame a 5-1 deficit after six innings as they scored five times in the top of the seventh and eventually won against the Los Angeles Angels 7-5. Jered Weaver lost his bid to see his record go to 6-0 this spring when shoddy bullpen work by the Angels enabled the Cubs to escape with a win.

The Milwaukee Brewers defeated the Chicago White Sox 12-10 in a game which saw Ben Sheets of the Milwaukee Brewers and Gavin Floyd rocked with Sheets giving up 9 runs and 8 hits in 5 innings and his ERA ballooned to 9.56. Floyd also pitched 5 innings, allowing 6 runs to cross the plate and gave up 9 hits and his ERA rose to 6.55 for the spring. Jim Thome homered twice for the White Sox and Alexei Ramirez also hit a grand slam off of Sheets. Ryan Braun hit his fifth home run of the spring in the game.

Erik Bedard (2-2) defeated the Kansas City Royals 8-5, but it still wasn't a typical Bedard game with a lot of strikeouts. He only struck out two batters in six innings. Seven of the Texas Rangers' starting lineup are hitting .283 or higher with Marlon Byrd the only Ranger struggling at the plate with a .197 average. Josh Hamilton and David Murphy are tied for the team lead in RBIs with 17.

Grandson To Pitch and Catch This Season

Yesterday, my grandson Matthew, who is now my avatar, called me excitedly about the coach telling him he will be a starting pitcher and catcher this season. He will pitch two innings then catch the rest of the game. He said he is catching most of the balls even when the batters swing. He had never caught before but is enjoying playing catcher. He has played shortstop and third base mostly in other seasons so he will get a new perspective on the game pitching and catching.

Anyone that goes to my profile page will see him on a magazine cover they used for photos last season and you will never see a bigger smile than his from a baseball player.

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Sj-hypocycloidRed-Shirting
200 days ago
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Nice article, as usual. Are you saving Johnny Vander Meer's consecutive no-hitters for another column? :-) Also, isn't Harvey Haddix the first pitcher to lose a no-hit game? Or is that not counted because he gave up a hit in the 13th? I suppose that having a no-hit game for nine innings but not actually winning at that point disqualifies him...?
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Falcon02520Legend
200 days ago
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I saw Jose Cruz Jr during my Spring Training trip. He looked horrible during batting practice; rolling over on pitches, getting pull happy, and showing little power. It did not translate into the two games as he destroyed the pitching he faced. I will be surprised if he does not make the team...
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Niteowl049AAA-er
200 days ago
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SJ..technically you are right since Haddix did pitch 12 innings so guess they are calling Johnson's loss the only loss in a regulation game of nine innings. Haddix gave up one hit in 38 at bats by the Braves while the Pirates had 12 hits in 47 at bats and lost the game. Lew Burdette had to have worked out of trouble a lot in that game. Only 22 players played in that game. Today in a game like that there would be more than 30 players in a game like that.
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Sj-hypocycloidRed-Shirting
200 days ago
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If Bud Selig were in charge, the Braves & Buccos would have run out of players
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Niteowl049AAA-er
200 days ago
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Cruz Jr. was a non-roster invitee and not listed on the active roster. On the active roster they have Hunter Pence, Reggie Abercrombie, Darin Erstad, Michael Bourn and Carlos Lee. Abercrombie is hitting .222 this spring so they may send him down and keep Cruz.
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Niteowl049AAA-er
200 days ago
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SJ...that is a good one...will never forget the look on Selig's face at the All Star game when he looked as nervous as a cat in a room full of rocking chairs.
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Niteowl049AAA-er
200 days ago
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Since I am not likely to write about no-hitters again anytime soon will just say that Vander Meer who was born 24 days before my dad was born in 1914 and in New Jersey like my dad won 119 and lost 121 games in his career. He pitched the no-hitter against the Dodgers in first night game at Ebbets Field in Brooklyn. Baseball-almanac.com lists the two consecutive no-hitters as a record likely to never be broken since pitching 3 straight no-hitters is next to impossible.
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Sj-hypocycloidRed-Shirting
200 days ago
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I'll be stunned if anyone else pitches two straight no-hitters!
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RomiezzoLegend
200 days ago
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(Sigh of relief) FINALLY DONE EDITING! I'm so glad that I won't have to edit Spring Training editions of baseball notebook. Regular season Baseball Notebook editions are a lot more exciting... not that these aren't good. I'm just saying. I love the no-hitter part of this article. Love the fact that you added something else. Great job, as usual, Niteowl.
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Sj-hypocycloidRed-Shirting
200 days ago
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That item about your grandson is great! It's nice to know that baseball is still popular with kids. Good for him.
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RomiezzoLegend
200 days ago
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It's popular overseas too. We actually had a tournament last week in Dubai that I helped umpire. I gotta tell ya... 6 games in 2 days and 7 in 3 days REALLY takes its toll on your quads...
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Niteowl049AAA-er
200 days ago
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I probably won't do game by game recaps this year..it is just too time consuming when there are 15 games a day...Will sort of do like I did today doing a shorter recap of different games of interest. You did a great job as usual editing the page.
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RomiezzoLegend
200 days ago
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It's all good, Niteowl. Your Baseball Notebook articles are good any way they are... just as long as you post them here. And thank YOU for allowing me to edit another one of your excellent articles.
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Niteowl049AAA-er
200 days ago
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My grandson loves baseball and I hope he pursues his dream of being in the major leagues and follow it wherever it takes him. It is killing me not to be able to see his games this year since we moved from Louisiana after his 2007 season. I think he will make a great catcher. The team he was on was good but they had a catcher who would drop the ball if there was a play at the plate so they stopped even throwing to him when a runner was coming in to home. Matthew is a great fielder and he will catch some foul popups because he hustles like crazy.
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RomiezzoLegend
200 days ago
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Keep telling him to not take his eyes off that prize, Niteowl. He's gotta want to become a Major Leaguer more than ANYONE, and work REALLY hard. Dedication, hustling, skills, fielding, batting, pitching... all these are great attributes for him. I can't wait to read what you say about him 10 years from now. ;) My ultimate dream was to become pro, never mind make the major leagues. I don't know if I still can, but hey.. it's worth a shot.
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Steel TownAll-American
200 days ago
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The Doc Ellis story smacks of BS. I have heard it before and it is not an accurate description of the effects of LSD.
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SoxaddictSoccer Kid
200 days ago
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Sounds more like shrooms to me.
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SoxaddictSoccer Kid
200 days ago
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I could see Kazmir giving the Rays their first no-hitter. Maybe Santana doing it for the Mets (I love Pedro but I don't see him going a complete game anytime soon), but the Rockies and Padres are out of luck (Peavy throws WAY too many pitches to throw a no-no.)
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RomiezzoLegend
200 days ago
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Soxaddict, I like your ideas. However, correct me if I'm wrong, but no-hitters, usually, are by the players you never expect it from. I don't think Johan will throw a no-hitter for the Mets anytime soon, or in his career. I'd wait a couple of years so that he gets adapted to the NL.
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SoxaddictSoccer Kid
200 days ago
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Yeah usually but Santana has thrown a couple complete games the past few years. I figured that coupled with the fact that most of the players he will be facing in the NL have never hit against him before (or have done so in limited at-bats) that he might have that working for himself. But you're right, they're usually from prospects or low rotation starters that are just having an amazing game.
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Niteowl049AAA-er
200 days ago
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Steel Town...you made a valid point...all we have is what Dock Ellis said about it several years later.
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Steel TownAll-American
200 days ago
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If it is true then I give all the credit in the world to him. Thousands of fans all staring at him and he didn't freak out?
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Niteowl049AAA-er
200 days ago
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Romi...umpiring is hard work especially behind the plate. Umpiring 7 games in 3 days makes me tired just thinking about it.
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RomiezzoLegend
200 days ago
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HA! You have no idea. I got back at my hotel room at 4:00, took a shower, and went straight to bed.
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Niteowl049AAA-er
200 days ago
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I can understand anyone of being skeptical of what Ellis said happened that night. Not seeing the catcher part does sound suspicious.
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Niteowl049AAA-er
200 days ago
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Dealing with coaches and parents makes it even worse. At least major league umpires don't have to deal with fans...they just turn a deaf ear to it but you can't do that when a fan is in your face in a youth league.
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Niteowl049AAA-er
200 days ago
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In the 12 inning perfect game by Haddix he issued the only walk of the game while his opponent Lew Burdette walked nobody in 13 innings. No relief pitchers were used in the game which lasted only 2 hours and 54 minutes. It is not unusual for a nine inning game today to last that long.
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Niteowl049AAA-er
200 days ago
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Nolan Ryan was the oldest to pitch a no-hitter when he was 44.
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WizardmanRed-Shirting
200 days ago
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Jose Jimenez pitched a no-hitter? wow, wouldn't have guessed having seen his career as an Indian *shudder*
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Niteowl049AAA-er
200 days ago
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Jiminez had back to back 2-10 seasons with Colorado then went to Cleveland and had a 1-7 record for his last season in the majors. He only made $7.3 million during his career so may have to raffle off some of his baseball cards to raise money for him.
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Too Manny StilesVarsity Captain
200 days ago
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Some clarification on the Ellis story. He partied all night and completely slept through the day off. His girl did too. Woke up and dropped the acid before finding out he had slept through the off day. He was thrown into the starting role because the scheduled starter injured himself warming up...

Six hours into the ride is plenty of time to become comfortable with his surroundings in the third bardo and depending on his experiences and (more importantly) the dosage, he was more than likely beyond the peak. Someone with enough stability to control themselves on acid (enough to get to a stadium would be more trying than playing baseball) in front of 30,000 people would certainly have enough confidence to do something that was routine (pitch) and the no-hitter part of it was just luck (all no-no's require some luck).

Also take a look at how many walks he gave up in that game...

For the doubters - check the date of the incident again - 1970. It is not that unreasonable that it's true. I read an excellent interview of his account and he explained it pretty easily. It's also very unlikely that "Ellis, D." was the only MLBer to play a game under the influence of psychedelics. In an interview he explained that dropping acid in the bullpen wasn't that uncommon.
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Steel TownAll-American
200 days ago
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I don't doubt that he rode out the end of his trip while working. It is just that he says he was hallucinating so late into the trip and somehow was able to maintain a large amount of control. Let's just assume that the catcher was "disappearing" (which is not a typicall LSD hallucination). If he was that far gone then there is no way he would be able to hold his composure in front of all of those fans. Something as simple as walking into a convenience store can send your paranoia through the roof. So, what I guess it is that I question is whether he was tripping or just coming down. There is a huge difference.
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Too Manny StilesVarsity Captain
200 days ago
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Without knowing the chemistry, dosage or quality there's no way to tell... it's absolutely possible to have LSD trips that don't peak for 12-14 hours. and 18 hour trips are not our of the question. Variations in construction can alter the cerebral cortex in a variety of ways. It's very rare for two doses to be alike.

And not all LSD or "acid" is truly the Sandoz variety LSD25 - there are thousands of varities ranging from St Anthony's fire (ergot) and LSA derivatives to strychnine based concoctions in garages and basements (check out Shulgin's Pikhal and/or Tikhal sometime). Plus this totally disregards his personal reactivity.

Like I said, I read a VERY detailed account (these things interest me in case you haven't noticed) and it was more inclusive than "disappearing catchers" and "the ball looked like a basketball".

Doubting it because of the miniscule description or comparing it to personal experiences that were less visually intense/different would be pretty ridiculous.
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J-DawgVarsity Captain
200 days ago
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It's kind of ironic that Ellis became a drug counselor afterwards.
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Niteowl049AAA-er
200 days ago
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Manny, thanks for the clarification of what happened that night. It may be that the 6 hours between the dose he took and gametime kept him halfway aware of what was going on. I have seen people on paranoia drugs and they totally freak out like going to the window over and over to see what is outside.
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Niteowl049AAA-er
200 days ago
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Steel Town...Ellis probably was on the way down by the time the game started.
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Niteowl049AAA-er
200 days ago
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J-Dawg...guess Ellis knew what drugs could do to someone so made him a good counselor trying to save someone from his experiences.
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Niteowl049AAA-er
200 days ago
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You have a good idea of what the effect of LSD may be from your research so will trust anything you write to be information based. I know LSD can make people do things they would never do otherwise. Art Linkletter's daughter jumped out of building while on LSD many years ago. The family said it was LSD but scopes.com said it was untrue and they also said the Ellis story was true and not an urban legend.
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Too Manny StilesVarsity Captain
200 days ago
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Ever heard of Aldous Huxley?

LSD isn't going to make you do something you wouldn't be inclined to want to do already. It takes stuff that's in your psyche and mind already and exponentiates it - transposes it into layers you would have never slowed down or took the time to notice. It doesn't "make you insane", it just makes you seem insane to observers...

Your brain spends a TON of energy in normal life deciding what is important to notice and blocks out everything that is not a danger to your comfort. LSD eliminates that filter and makes everything have the same importance; it destroys the "me/I" ego and makes you one with your surroundings and environment... you become assimilated to the space around what once was "you" and does not allow you to feel more important than that space or ignore the fact that such space was always there.

There are many, many people that every so often could use that separation of "I" and "thou" and realize they are the same thing pulling in opposite directions. Mind expansion would help a TON of people understand their addiction to external media as well. External input only gets the door open, it doesn't let you walk inside.

In my opinion, amphetemines (greenies), cocaine and alcohol can cause way more harm to you than any psychedelic drug. For every "story" (not even the real events, just the stories) of "people eating acid and trying to fly" there is at least 10,000 DUI related deaths...

The biggest "harm" in psychedelics (other than being "illegal" -which doesn't mean they're "wrong" - it means people make decisions to control freedoms and don't know why; for instance -hammers and knives KILL way more people yet they're not illegal) is having a lie you are living your life behind turn to truth before your eyes and seeing reality. Experiencing the ego death is too much for some people to handle emotionally because they spend so much energy lying to themselves in order to feel worthy and purposeful.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
200 days ago
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It is facking stupid that so many seemingly celebrate Dock Ellis for dropping acid before pitching a game.

Clap, clap. What a hero. Bravo. Hero to the burn outs and counter-culture of useless dipshats.

In all seriousness, great work again NiteOwl.
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Too Manny StilesVarsity Captain
200 days ago
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1) Who is celebrating it? 2) Maybe you should understand Dock Ellis a bit - more than just a guy who looks like Common's Dad) and what he went through before you rush to pass judgement... he wasn't called "Baseball's Muhammad Ali" because he was the greatest player of all-time...
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
200 days ago
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Don't give a shat about Ellis' LSD claims and above all else - your dumb comments and useless articles.

Go away please. I'm ignoring you and you should likewise with me as well for the best interests of this website.

And here is a minus to you also.
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Too Manny StilesVarsity Captain
200 days ago
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You could try "growing up" instead... it really does work on occasion.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
200 days ago
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Q: What is the difference between ____ and a braying ass? A: The braying ass would.
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JuTMSY4Legend
200 days ago
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its fine to discuss the merits of pitching, baseball, the counter culture and the use of drugs, etc...but try to keep it focused on that and not each other as you both have clearly attempted to do...
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
200 days ago
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Stiles polluted this thread.

Not me.

I avoid this idiot. Tell the little dumb doggy to stop running into the incoming mac truck. Tends to prevent the little dumb doggy's brains from being splattered across the Interstate.

Yeah, yeah, yeah JuT - I know - I've been warned. Again. So what?
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Too Manny StilesVarsity Captain
200 days ago
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Dock Ellis would not approve of this type of name calling. He was called plenty of names in his day... if you clicked the link I provided above and gained a little understanding you would know that already.

I fail to see where I incited any form of engagement with Tyrone other than offer some insight about Dock Ellis, the man- well, and asking him to grow up.

It's clear that Tyrone has a problem. Seek help. Maybe he's having conversations in his head and got confused with the real me who really doesn't give a ship who he thinks is "an idiot" or whatever other name he wants to call me today?

Seriously, dude... get a grip on yourself, respect yourself AND the people who help make this site what it is, get over your jealousy, do YOUR work and grow up.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
200 days ago
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Advice from the jobless. Terrific.
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SSreportersLegend
200 days ago
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2Manny, TB, quit it.....this has gone back to being an everyday thing. You're both entitled to your opinions but it always escalates into this.

2Manny, you LOVE the ignore button so much you publicly claim who you've ignored (me)....use it on TB maybe?

TB....do the same, just ignore each other, state your opinion, defend it, and don't make it another war.
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Too Manny StilesVarsity Captain
200 days ago
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Continuing to engage with me... Yes, advice: Wise men don't need it and Fools don't heed it... again

What are you trying to win now??

P.S. - I have 2 jobs currently, "Idiot". Not that my personal business is ANY of your business... Nice to see you can spout off about that which you do not know... "Terrific"

I think you should consider the names you call people - they just might be a more accurate description of yourself...
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
200 days ago
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Yes, yes I've been bad. Again. God forbid anyone standing up against the Internet's biggest ...... (fill in the blank, everyone is entitled to an opinion - good, bad and ugly)

Goodnight Mr. Stiles.

And rest easy admins. The sun will rise tomorrow. I promise.
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Too Manny StilesVarsity Captain
200 days ago
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I will not be held hostage by jealousy and pettiness.

This is not an every day thing. I have barely been on the site the past two weeks.

AGAIN, I did NOT make this personal... I was defending Dock Ellis, not attacking anyone.

Feel free to intervene if you feel you must - but due diligence would be appreciated in these matters.

I'm not the one with a problem.
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Too Manny StilesVarsity Captain
200 days ago
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If "everyone's entitled to an opinion" - then WHY aren't I?
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SSreportersLegend
200 days ago
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Guys, I'm warning you.....I'll report this to another admin.
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CoreyisarealboyMajor Leaguer
200 days ago
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Among the no-name no-hitters, Juan Nieves of the Brewers in 1987.
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Niteowl049AAA-er
200 days ago
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Nieves was 32-25 so he does definitely qualify as a no-name reliever...thanks for the catch.
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Too Manny StilesVarsity Captain
200 days ago
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Joe Cowley - my pick for worst pitcher ever to get a no-no... Only because Don Carman never got one!!!
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KelsdadAll-Star
200 days ago
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Niteowl:

Best way to get noticed by a professional scout:

Be a solid defensive catcher. We don't care much about hitting ability until the age of 17 or so, at the high school level, feeling that will develop naturally with age and experience and physical maturity.

The ability to block balls in the dirt, transfer from glove to hand in the same motion, release point, footwork, etc are all defensive skills which cannot be taught, only modified.

A drill to help with blocking balls (figurative and literal). And if it seems harsh for an eight year old, it's really not, because he will only miss once. Guaranteed.

With a tennis ball or something similar, have him get into a catching crouch and have your son try and bounce a ball into his nuts. Seriously.

If he does it correctly, he will naturally drop his knees and butt down and learn to block the bounce with his chest, as he becomes more proficient you can bounce the ball from side to side. To block these, not only does he need to drop, but slide laterally as well. As he gets better, he will automatically rely more and more on the glove, while still sliding, he won't reach and stab with the glove. Once he masters this drill, then everything else is gravy, he'll be comfortable with moving his body and feet to the ball, teaching him proper throwing technique at this point is a piece of cake.
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Too Manny StilesVarsity Captain
200 days ago
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GREAT advice, KD!!!


Reminds me of Davey Johnson's book Bats about the '85 Mets (the year befoer '86 if you're bad at Math) and the story of how they turned Gary Carter into a premier defensive catcher - they dressed him up in every pad they could, even hockey pads and used a pitching machine at close distance to fire balls at him endlessly. He was still black and blue but he was a better blocker than ever.

Knock it down!

Not only that, but understanding the position of catcher is the same as understanding every position on the field. The catcher is the QB on a baseball field - he's closest to the manager and controlling the action at all times. He's in the ear of the Ump. A player with a catcher's mentality with athleticism and/or a bat WILL find a place to play...

How many catchers convert to other positions seamlessly because they know the game so well?

Yes, even my lanky ass played a fair bit of catcher back in the day - I just liked it for fashion reasons - and being in the action every play.
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Niteowl049AAA-er
199 days ago
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Thanks Kelsdad for the advice...This may be the perfect spot for Matthew since he is a very good defensive player. He did have a lot of contact hitting last year but the balls weren't hit hard enough to get by the infielders often. It will be a whole new ballgame this season facing live pitching instead of a pitching machine that threw strike after strike.
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Niteowl049AAA-er
199 days ago
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Manny...you are exactly right...catchers are really important and are a lot like a quarterback just like you wrote.
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Niteowl049AAA-er
199 days ago
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One year with the Phillies Carman gave up 86 walks and struck out 81 and had a 53-54 record in ten seasons.
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Sj-hypocycloidRed-Shirting
199 days ago
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We used to refer to him as Don 'Souvenir' Carman because of his propensity to give up homers
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Yakob878MVP
199 days ago
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Man NiteOwl: How long does it take you to dig this info up, or do u already know most of it? great stuff, i wish i had this kind of knowledge about football
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