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And the Greatest 1-2 Batting Punch is....

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by Harold Friend

There has been an awful lot of discussion about what was the greatest 1-2 batting punch in baseball history, both for a single season and over an extended period of time. The conclusion is quite simple. No single season duo comes close to the 1927 Babe Ruth and Lou Gehrig, and no two consecutive hitters inflicted more damage on the opposition over an extended time period than did Gehrig and Ruth from 1926 to 1934.

In 1927, Ruth batted .356 with 60 home runs, 164 RBIs, and a .772 slugging average. Gehrig had an even higher batting average, hitting .373 with 47 home runs, 175 RBIs, and a .765 slugging average. Stop and examine the statistics carefully.

Ruth had a .772 slugging average and Gehrig's was only 0.007 lower. Incredible, but what is equally amazing is that Ruth had an on base average of .486 and Gehrig of .474.

Today, most agree that Manny Ramirez and David Ortiz are the best 1-2 batting punch in baseball. Last season, Ramirez batted .292 with 45 home runs, 144 RBIs, and a .594 slugging average. Few players can match that, but it pales in comparison to Ruth's 1927 season. Ortiz batted .300 with 47 home runs, 148 RBIs, and a .604 slugging average. Manny and David are fearsome, but they do not come close to Ruth-Gehrig.

Continuing with 2005, it is interesting to compare Alex Rodriguez and Gary Sheffield to the two Boston sluggers. Rodriguez batted .321 with 48 home runs, 130 RBIs, and a .610 slugging average. Sheffield batted .291 with 34 home runs, 123 RBIs and a .512 slugging average. Ramirez and Oritz had a better season, but Rodriguez and Sheffield are closer than most think and Sheffield and Rodriguez are probably the second best 1-2 batting punch today---when they bat consecutively.

Historically, Ramirez and Ortiz aren't even second best. In 1937, Joe DiMaggio and Lou Gehrig had a season comparable to Ruth and Gehrig's 1927. DiMaggio hit .346 with 46 home runs, an incredible 167 RBIs and a .673 slugging average, while Gehrig had one of his usual seasons, batting .351 with 37 home runs and a .643 slugging average.

Many reflexively select Mickey Mantle and Roger Maris of 1961, and while they were fearsome, they were not as formidable as Ruth-Gehrig in 1927 or DiMaggio-Gehrig in 1937. Maris-Mantle might not have even been the best 1-2 combination in 1961.

Maris hit .269 with 61 home runs, 142 RBIs, and a .620 slugging average. Mantle hit .317 with 54 home runs, 128 RBIs, and a .687 slugging average but Rocky Colavito and Norm Cash of the 1961 Tigers did pretty well.

Colavito batted fourth, hit .290 with 45 home runs, 140 RBIs, and a .580 slugging average, while Cash, batting fifth, batted .361 to win the batting title. He of the corked bat hit 41 home runs, had 132 RBIs, and slugged .662. Maris and Mantle were better, but it was pretty close.

Over an extended time period, Ruth and Gehrig were dominant. From 1927 through and including 1934, Ruth averaged .338, 44 home runs, and a .681 slugging average. Gehrig averaged .352 with 39 home runs and a .664 slugging average. Their COMBINED numbers are:


BATTING AVERAGE: .345
HOME RUNS 41
SLUGGING AVERAGE .672


Today, in the age of the home run, in the age of the slugger, in the age when college pitchers spend a few days in the minors and then become major league starters, Manny Ramirez, since David Ortiz joined him in 2003, has averaged .309 with 42 home runs and a .598 slugging average. Ortiz has averaged .297 with 40 home runs and a .588 slugging average. Their COMBINED numbers are:


BATTING AVERAGE: .303
HOME RUNS: 41
SLUGGING AVERAGE: .593


Manny Ramirez and David Ortiz may be the best 1-2 slugging duo in baseball today. They are fearsome and deserve all they have earned. But Manny Ramirez and David Ortiz are no Babe Ruth and Lou Gehrig.





Sources

  • http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/NYY/
  • http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/NYY/1927.shtml
  • http://www.baseball-reference.com/g/gehrilo01.shtml
  • http://www.baseball-reference.com/r/ruthba01.shtml
  • http://www.baseball-reference.com/r/ramirma02.shtml
  • http://www.baseball-reference.com/o/ortizda01.shtml


Date

Tue 05/30/06, 7:44 am EST


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The sharkDraft Pick
905 days ago
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I doubt that anyone would possibly suggest that Ortiz-Ramirez are better than Gehrig-Ruth. I am a Red Sox fan and would never even dream of saying that. My guess is that you would be hard pressed to find anyone who would be willing to make such a contention. I will say this, however - for the last 3 and a half years, Ortiz-Ramirez have definitely been the most dominant 1-2 punch in baseball and will continue to be as long as they are on the same team.
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LouGehrigVarsity Captain
905 days ago
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Absolutely. It is simply interesting to see how fantastic Ruth-Gehrig was in 1927 and how far ahead Manny-Ortiz is today.
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MetsJetsDevilsDraft Pick
905 days ago
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Here is one argument that can be made. There were less teams back then and therefore more of a chance for phenominal players to be on the same team. For Manny and Ortiz to be this good in the expansion era should be taken into consideration.
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The sharkDraft Pick
905 days ago
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That is a good point, MJD.
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
905 days ago
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It is, but another factor is that many teams refuse to spend money on salaries. Miguel Cabrera will not have another great hitter on the team for a few years. Of course, he may go elsewhere and join a great hitter. How about St. Louis getting him for the outfield. Think he and Pujols would challenge Manny and David?
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Awrigh01All-Star
905 days ago
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Who would be the best 1-2-3 punch?
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ChachiOSUDraft Pick
905 days ago
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Not to be a homer, but Sheffield, Giambi, and ARod last year have to be up there. Also, the best chance for seeing a Ruth-Gehrig type combo will be with one of the higher payroll teams because they'll shell out for the big name sluggers.
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
905 days ago
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The greatest 1-2-3 punch was the 1927 Ruth-Gehrig-Meusel.
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PeanMajor Leaguer
905 days ago
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Yes, but what is the HACKING MASS 1-2-3 combo?
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Awrigh01All-Star
905 days ago
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Yeah, that would be interesting.
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PeanMajor Leaguer
905 days ago
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you can probably pick any 3 players from the royals the past few seasons
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DarrelSoccer Kid
905 days ago
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Jeff Kent - Barry Bonds - Ellis Burks of 2000.
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DarrelSoccer Kid
905 days ago
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Anyway, there's no doubt in my mind that Kent/Bonds is the best 1-2 since Ruth/Gehrig.


Ruth/Gehrig: 331.3 EQR

Kent/Bonds: 266.7 EQR


Perhaps A-Rod and Griffey did something similar. I imagine A-Rod/Griffey/Edgar in 1996? Would be a good 1-2-3.
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DarrelSoccer Kid
904 days ago
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Okay, I did the research. Since 1927, the greatest Non-Ruth/Gehrig duos are:


2001 Giants: Barry Bonds and Rich Aurilia.

1959 Braves: Hank Aaron and Eddie Matthews.

1937 Yankees: Joltin' Joe and Gehrig.

1989 Giants: Kevin Mitchell and Will Clark.

1997 Mariners: Griffey and Edgar.

1961 Yanks: Mantle and Maris

1985 Yanks: Mattingly and Henderson

1998 M's: Griffey and A-Rod.
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DarrelSoccer Kid
904 days ago
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Now for the *trios*... these don't include Ruth/Gehrig because the Ruth/Gehrig/Combes combo was the top 3.

2001 Giants: Barry Bonds, Rich Aurilia, and Jeff Kent. 1998 Mariners: Griffey, A-Rod, and Edgar 1993 Blue Jays: Olerud, Molitor, Alomar 1937 Yanks: Gehrig, DiMaggio, Dickey. 1991 Rangers: Palmeiro, Sierra, Franco

1982 Brewers: Molitor, Yount, and Cooper
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The sharkDraft Pick
904 days ago
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D - There is NO way you can name EIGHT duos without including Manny/Ortiz. NO WAY! They are the best we've seen in at least 20 years. Especially over the course of multiple years.
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
904 days ago
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Combs batted lead off. We are talking (or at least, I am talking) about consecutive batters in the order. Ruth-Gehrig-Meusel was the greatest 1-2-3 punch when considering batting average, home runs, RBIs, and slugging average. If you want to add in OBA, that is fine and will not affect their ranking.
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DarrelSoccer Kid
904 days ago
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Anonymous fanatic, I intentionally excluded Ruth/Gehrig trios...


the shark, Believing Manny and Ortiz are the best 1-2 punch in the "last 20 years" is probably a result of them ebing extremely recent, winning a world series, and being plastered all over the place. They've had a nice run for 3 years, I guess, but they simply weren't as good as Griffey/Edgar, Griffey/A-Rod, Bonds/Kent, or Bonds/Aurilia... These lists are often comprised of two guys having HISTORIC seasons, or at least, two MVP like seasons. Manny and Papi have never had that season together.
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The sharkDraft Pick
904 days ago
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Actually, they've had THREE seasons like that - back to back to back. And they never used steroids.
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