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A Historical MVP Debate

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by Bberg11

No, this is not another Jimmy Rollins vs. Matt Holliday MVP debate. Been there, and done that. And, in case anyone doesn't know, I'm firmly in J-Roll's corner. No disrespect to the season Holliday had, especially considering the systematic dismantling of Rollins' Phillies that he led, but Rollins literally did it all for the Phillies this season; and he did it every day, and he did it all very good. J-Roll captured the hearts of fans all over the Philadelphia area with his bat, glove, and personality. But there was another Phillie who did the same thing. That Phillie was Lenny Dykstra, and it is no coincidence that the last time the Phillies made the playoffs in 1993, Dykstra had a career year. Both were spectacular all year, but if I had to pick one for MVP between the two, I'd have to go with the Dude, Lenny Dykstra.

Jimmy Rollins led a Phillies offense that scored more runs than any other team in the league. They even scored more runs than all but one team in the DH rich American League. He led off most of the year, set the table, scored runs, and more than occasionally knocked in runs. The numbers speak for themselves:

Runs: 139 Hits: 212 2B: 38 3B: 20 HR: 30 RBI: 94 SB: 41 BB: 49 SO: 85 BA: .296 OBP: .344 SLG: .531

Lenny Dykstra was always a very good leadoff man, but in 1993 he put his whole game together, finishing second behind Barry Bonds in MVP voting. He played center field with reckless abandon, earning the nickname Nails, in addition to the Dude, because he was tough as nails. Again, the numbers speak for themselves:

Runs: 143 Hits: 194 2B: 44 3B: 6 HR: 19 RBI: 66 SB: 37 BB: 129 SO: 64 BA: .305 OBP: .420 SLG: .482

So those are the numbers. What Rollins lacked in on-base percentage and batting average, he made up for in power. What Dykstra lacked in power, he made up for by getting on base a lot more than Rollins. So which is more valuable to a team; getting on base or knocking in runs? That debate will go on forever, but this one has to end.

I think it's fair to say that this 2007 rendition of the Phillies team has more talent than that 1993 team. Aside from Dykstra, the only other offensive weapons on that team were Darren Daulton and John Kruk, and to a lesser extent, Dave Hollins. But this current team has Chase Utley, Ryan Howard, Pat Burrell, Aaron Rowand, and to a lesser extent, Shane Victorino. If you take Rollins away from this team, they fall well short of where they finished this season. But, if you take Dykstra off of that 1993 team, not only are they not as good, but that offense would have been embarrassing inept.

It really is splitting hairs trying to put one of these guys above the other. To be honest, I don't even know why I tried. I guess the similarities between these two guys who played 14 years apart, are just too intriguing to ignore. Two playoff teams with one common theme: a leadoff man with an all-around game to match anyone in the league, and a persona that captured the admiration of an entire city. Guys like that are near impossible to find, and for that reason, they both are MVPs.


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RomiezzoLegend
363 days ago
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This article makes a good point, which is why I honestly believe that J-Roll shouldn't be MVP and Matt Holliday should. An on-base percentage of .344!? That's ridiculous for a GOOD leadoff hitter. Sure, he had 200+ hits (so did Holliday), and 20+ doubles, homers (like Holliday) and triples, but the main objective for a leadoff hitter is to get on base isn't it?

Matt Holliday, on the other hand, is supposed to produce the numbers that he produced as a #3 hitter. He led the NL in average and homers (good stats for a #3 hitter), and was 2nd in SLG (another good stat), and 6th in OBP (...). As you can see, there are many stats that I can point out to give a reason why, but that's not the point of this article.

That's just my opinion though. A leadoff hitter should get on base, and the guys behind him should drive him in. That's THEIR job.
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DonatevoMajor Leaguer
363 days ago
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As usual, Romi has thought through this argument completely, and is right.
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DonatevoMajor Leaguer
363 days ago
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You make good points. But as Romi has said. You're thinking like a J-Roll fan. Read this, http://armch..._Frontrunner? If you can't see reality in front of your eyes, sorry.
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DonatevoMajor Leaguer
363 days ago
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This one works.
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DonatevoMajor Leaguer
363 days ago
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Will this work? Matt Holliday the NL MVP Frontrunner?
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DonatevoMajor Leaguer
363 days ago
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NO.
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DonatevoMajor Leaguer
363 days ago
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No.
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Yakob878MVP
362 days ago
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please stop spaminng
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JuTMSY4Hall of Famer
361 days ago
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Guess We'll have to see Don... You're aware Holliday plays in...umm...Col...uhh...that square state in the middle somewhere...
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Manny StilesAAA-er
363 days ago
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They're "both MVPs" and yet neither one is?
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KelsdadAll-Star
363 days ago
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One difference. Dykstra was a 'roider.
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Manny StilesAAA-er
363 days ago
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No! Say it ain't so, Pete Incaviglia!

Man '93 was one of the favorite years of my life. I had an incredible season on the field, at the keg and in the bedroom. The Phillies took the town on a run of PURE destiny. Everyone knew exactly what we were experiencing - Magic.

The '93 Phillies - everyone stayed healthy and everyone came together. Tommy Greene turned into gold, Danny Jackson was clearly hulk'roiding his freeking shirts off ON the mound! Senate go-beforer to talk about 'roids Red-light Curt Schilling shared that squeekyclean clubhouse - and they scared the shit out of the Braves before their Series ever started. The Giants were the best team in baseball that year.

Crazy, just crazy. It wasn't Mitch Williams' fault!
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Bberg11Varsity
362 days ago
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Yeah, it's pretty obvious he was on the juice looking back. But you could have never gotten me to believe it back then. He was one of my first favorite athletes, as I fell in love with that team. I don't think there was anybody in the tri state area that didn't fall in love with those '93 Phils
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Manny StilesAAA-er
363 days ago
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Now compare Jimmy Rollins to Larry Bowa!!! "Filet Mignon or Puppy Chow, Sir?"
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KelsdadAll-Star
363 days ago
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The son of a buddy of mine went to high school with Pete Incaviglia. His rookie year with Texas, we went to New York and took him out on the town after a game. Rookie curfew was two hours after the game ended, so by 1am or so Petey had to be back. We got him back to the hotel about 8 am.
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Bberg11Varsity
362 days ago
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Haha, nice. He seems like he would've been fun to hang out with.
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