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108 RBIs--Without a Home Run

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by user Harold Friend

LouGehrig

The last time it happened was 1985. Tommy Herr blasted 8 home runs and batted in 110 runs to become the first player to have at least 100 RBIs with fewer than 10 home runs. In 1950, George Kell hit 8 home runs and had 108 RBIs. In the last 56 years, they are the only players to accomplish the feat. Does this mean that in order to drive in runs, batters must hit home runs? As Ira Gershwin and DuBose Howard wrote in one of the great musical works of all time, it ain't necessarily so. It cannot be denied that a home run produces at least one run, but there have been run producers who were not home run hitters and high scoring teams that were not home run hitting teams.

Herr blasted 8 HRs and batted in 110 Runs in 1985
Herr blasted 8 HRs and batted in 110 Runs in 1985

The most remarkable 100 RBI season occurred in 1902, when Lafayette Napoleon "Lave" Cross (what a fantastic name. He must have really had fun in school) had 108 RBIs with 0 home runs. Cross hit .342, had a .374 on base average, and slugged .465. Now, those are respectable statistics.

In 2006, Derek Jeter is hitting .339. has a .413 on base percentage, and is slugging .479. Jeter has 14 home runs with 96 RBIs. The statistics are remarkably similar, especially Cross' (.465) and Jeter's (.479) slugging averages. Remember, Jeter has 14 home runs to 0 for Cross. The point is not to compare Cross and Jeter. The point is that it is possible to have "productive" seasons without hitting home runs.

In 1946, the first season following one of the world wars, Dixie Walker, who was some people's choice, hit 9 home runs and batted in 116 runs, but that pales to his 1945 season, when he hit 8 home runs and had 124 RBIs. That same season, 1945, Bob Elliott matched Walker's 8 home runs but had "only" 108 RBIs. In 1943, Elliott hit 7 home runs with 101 RBIs while Billy Herman, with only 2 home runs, had 100 RBIs.

We can stop at this point although there are many others who had at least 100 RBIs with 9 or fewer home runs because the point has been illustrated. Home runs excite fans and as one of the great home run hitters said, "Singles hitters drive Fords and home run hitters drive Cadillacs," but it used to be possible to drive in 100 or more runs without hitting a lot of home runs. There is another side to the coin.

In 2005, Derrek Lee had a great season. He hit 46 home runs, 50 doubles, and knocked in 107 runs. In 1945, Bob Elliott hit 8 home runs, 36 doubles, and knocked in 108 runs. Yes, Virginia, singles can be productive.

In 2004, Sammy Sosa had 35 home runs with 80 RBIs. It was, as Frank used to sing, "All or nothing at all." But wait. That same 2004 season, Brad Wilkerson's "accomplishment" was even more remarkable. He hit 32 home runs with 67 RBIs.

Rob Deer, who averaged 32 home runs a season, also averaged 198 strikeouts based on 162 game season. Deer hit 32 home runs in 1992 with 64 RBIs. That is remarkable. But the final example will please or upset many. Barry (yes, THAT Barry), in 2003, hit 45 home runs. He had 90 RBIs.

RBIs are a function of opportunity and it doesn't take a home run to knock in a run. A single can be as productive as a home run, and the single still leaves a runner on base. We are in the era of "arena baseball," and maybe, just maybe, a general manager will come along who will build a team with players who make contact, try to avoid strikeouts, and play basic, fundamental baseball. Right. And maybe the price of tickets will go down.

References

  • http://www.baseball-reference.com/h/herrto01.shtml
  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porgy_and_Bess
  • http://www.baseball-reference.com/c/crossla01.shtml
  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixie_Walker
  • http://www.hickoksports.com/biograph/kinerralph.shtml


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Tue 09/26/06, 11:31 am EST


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Bball3345Draft Pick
661 days ago
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What is the advantage in "a single still leaves a runner on base?" Isn't it always better to hit a home run and score yourself, instead of leaving yourself there for someone else to do the job? I say yes.
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Manny StilesAAA-er
661 days ago
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basehits keep rallies going and keeps the pressure on the pitcher (runners on base) Often after a Homer, a pitcher can calm himself, clear his head and re-establish a groove by working out of the windup instead of from the stretch and slidestep.
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LouGehrigVarsity Captain
661 days ago
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Of course, but the record for singles in a season is much more than 73. Teams were and can be built to be winners without relying primarily on the home run. Home runs are great (when your team hits them), but they are streaky and teams that rely on them as the primary means of scoring are one dimensional and rarely win the WS. Those that do, such as the 1927 Yankees or some of the modern teams usually have other means of scoring as well.
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Manny StilesAAA-er
661 days ago
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but you can't win at parcheesi (a simplified form of baseball as a board game) or Sorry! if you roll all ones... you need the sixes every now and then.
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Manny StilesAAA-er
661 days ago
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dude, that picture is NOT of Tommy Herr... it's not even the St Louis Cardinals in the pic... for fun... 1987 Willie "Fishface" McGee - 11 homers, 105 rbi
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Manny StilesAAA-er
661 days ago
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Porgie and Bess? My buddy and his wife's band has THE best cover of "Summertime" ever recorded!
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LouGehrigVarsity Captain
661 days ago
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I had nothing to do with it.
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DNLLegend
661 days ago
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Yeah... let's find a better (read: actual) one. Manny, I nominate you
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Manny StilesAAA-er
661 days ago
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Someone got it... I would have if I wasn't at work (I can't save or upload pix from here) I can spot Tommy Herr from a country mile - My one brother looks alot like him. Same hair and all back in the day! I wonder if that other pic was of Tom Herr Jr or just some guy with the same name...
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The sharkDraft Pick
661 days ago
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In Barry's defense (I know - I can't believe I'm defending him, either), he was rarely pitched to in '03 with runners on base.
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Davis21wylieAll-Star
661 days ago
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Further evidence that RBI's are a novelty stat at best...
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Manny StilesAAA-er
661 days ago
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Further evidence that no one calls the RBI correctly, either...it's already plural... RunS Batted In, not Runs Batted Ins... (I don't really care) it's almost as bad as saying PIN number...
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Manny StilesAAA-er
661 days ago
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How many of these guys 10>HR were Inside-the-park jobbies??? Hmmm...
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Davis21wylieAll-Star
661 days ago
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RBI (no "s" for Manny) are funny like that: in the example given where Bob Elliott out-RBI'd Derrek Lee, Lee created 12.8 wins above replacement (after adjusting for park and league), while Elliott created 6.1. That six and a half-win differential? Only enough to put the Angels, Astros, Reds, Dodgers, and maybe even the White Sox and Brewers into first place this season. Yes, Virginia, outslugging someone .662-.423 and out-OBP-ing them .418-.366 can prove the difference between your team suiting up for the playoffs and watching them on TV...
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LouGehrigVarsity Captain
661 days ago
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The point is simply that a player with 8 home runs had more RBIs than a player with 46 home runs. No comparision was intended or made with respect to doubles, triples, SA, OBA, or anything else. And there were and are teams that hit few home runs yet outscore home run hitting teams.
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Davis21wylieAll-Star
661 days ago
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But the implication (at least it seems to me) is that Elliott '45 was just as "productive" as Lee '05. Which borders on heresy, frankly. I guess my point is that the RBI is one of the most meaningless stats in baseball, right up there with a pitcher's W-L record. You can definitely be productive without hitting home runs, which I guess is what you were trying to illustrate, but why is RBI the designated measure of productivity?
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
661 days ago
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In his final season Mark McGwire hit .187 with 29 homeruns and 64 RBIs. He only had 27 hits that weren't homeruns. Now that's an incredible season.
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Jgov05All-American
661 days ago
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Me!
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LouGehrigVarsity Captain
661 days ago
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No attempt is being made to conclude that Elliott was as "productive" as Lee. It is just interesting to see how many players have over 100 RBIs with fewer than 10 home runs. I agree that RBIs and especially pitchers' WL records can be extremely misleading. WHEN a run is produced is often critical, and the gross RBI total provides no information about that. I am just sick and tired of all the comments about how great playing for the 3 run home is. Sometimes, the 1 run sacrifice fly means more.
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Bball3345Draft Pick
661 days ago
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Unless you're down by three.
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Anonymous Fanatic #2
660 days ago
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We are in the era of "arena baseball," and maybe, just maybe, a general manager will come along who will build a team with players who make contact, try to avoid strikeouts, and play basic, fundamental baseball.

Yes and they call them selfs the Los Angeles Angels.

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