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'Past the diving Jeter' - Or, 'Why does Derek Jeter, one of the worst AL shortstops, consistently win the Gold Glove?'

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by DaddyMac22



At best it's a joke.


"What do you call a slow roller to Derek Jeter's left?"

"Single up the middle!"

At worst, it's one of the best kept 'non-secrets' in Major League baseball. Commentators, players, managers and fans alike all ignore the glaring fact. Indeed they do worse, they laud the player for something he isn't. Watch Fox, ESPN or YES's coverage of the player and you would think you were watching a combination of Ozzie Smith and Omar Vizquel.

Let me preface this with a disclaimer of sorts. I am a Red Sox fan (I'm Cormac, I have been a Sox fan for 22 years and I am starting to come to terms with life...) however I have to admit to a grudging respect for Derek Jeter. He plays with class, is respectful of opponents and seems to really enjoy the game, above and beyond his pay check.

Here's the problem though. Derek 'by the dive of' Jeter is not a good Major League shortstop. He is, statistically, a bad player at that position. His defensive statistics are below average, or, in layman's terms, bad. Pretty much everyone knows this, the facts are there for all to see. However ESPN, FOX and the YES network refer to Jeter as a superior defensive players. The latter media outlets greasy adulation of the kid is somewhat understandable, but what defense do Fox, ESPN and other non-Yankee-owned media entities have for their gratuitous, sycophantic behaviour towards Jeter?

Even New Yorks fans have their doubts about their captains defensive abilities.

Jeter was the best SS in the game last year, when considering the whole package. Defensively though, he's no better than average, probably a bit below average, and in past years has been way below average. from nyyfans.com

Jeter's defensive inefficiencies are not a new phenomenon. Among AL shortstops who qualified, Jeter ranked dead last in Range Factor (putouts + assists divided by innings) in 2001, 2002 AND 2003. That's last, behind every other AL shortstop. That is not good. In fact, some might go as far as to say that is bad. Furthermore, among those same AL shortstops who qualified, Jeter ranked dead last in Zone Rating in 2001, 2002 and 2003.

The evidence against Jeter's ridiculous status as a Gold Glove shortstop is almost overwhelming, unless you simply stick your head in the sand emu style to avoid it like the guys in Fox, ESPN and YES. The book The Fielding Bible by John Dewan contains an essay by Bill James which analyzes the available evidence and suggests that Derek Jeter could be the worst defensive shortstop of all time. He concludes, "Giving [Jeter] every possible break on the unknowns, he is still going to emerge as a below average defensive shortstop." That isn't the only source on record with that opinion. The conclusion of the analysis done by 'Baseball Info Solutions', was that Derek Jeter "was probably the most ineffective defensive player in the major leagues, at any position."

Strong words, softly spoken. So, according to the people that put time and effort into actually looking at Jeter's defence, and ignoring the flashy 'jump shots' and flips and concentrate on the every day duties of a Major League shortstop, Derek Jeter is not only below average, he is awful.

So, where on earth have these Gold Gloves come from?

Rawlings Gold Glove AL Award winners

  • 2004 Derek Jeter New York Yankees
  • 2005 Derek Jeter New York Yankees
  • 2006 Derek Jeter New York Yankees

According to Wikipedia; the Rawlings Gold Glove Award, usually referred to simply as the Gold Glove, is the award given annually to the major league player judged to have the most "superior individual fielding performance" at each position (in each league), as voted by the managers and coaches in each league.

I am confused. Statistically, Jeter, year in year out, delivers some of the worst individual fielding performances at shortstop. He is consistently at the lower half or, worse, bottom of all fielding statistical categories. Yankee fans openly talk about Jeter having zero range to his left and if you google the phrase '..past the diving Jeter...' you get over 79,000 hits.

Take for example Jeter's 'Gold Glove' winning 2004 season. Check out some of his defensive statistics for that season

  • 1. Range Factor: 8th (out of 11)
  • 2. Zone Rating: 6th (out of 11)
  • 3. Fielding Percentage: 4th (out of 11)
  • 4. Fielding Win Shares: 4th (out of 11)
  • 5. Fielding Runs Above Replacement: 5th (out of 11)
  • 6. Ultimate Zone Rating: 8th (out of 11)

Not the worst, but almost the worst, and certainly not the best. Most of all, certainly not deserving of the title- "superior individual fielding performance"

Next time you hear a commentator exclaim "Past a diving Jeter!" just note it down mentally, and recall it when you hear that Jeter has won the 2007 Gold Glove at shortstop. Then go bang your head off the wall for a while. Life is, sometimes, just stupid, and stupid people make stupid decisions and there's nothing we can do about it. Giving Derek Jeter a gold glove ahead of some of the incredible defensive shortstops on show is just stupid. Even the Yankee fans think so!

Look, there's no denying that Jeter is a way-above-average hitting shortstop and a below-average fielding shortstop. He has been serviceable, and even improved a little over the past few years (although Gold Gloves are a joke). Despite the fact that he has been great for us for a long time, there will come the day when we have to move him somewhere because his fielding at SS will become a liability. from nyyfans.com

I started with a disclaimer and I will finish with one. Jeter is a likable player. He works hard, seems pretty loyal and strikes the viewer as a pretty stand up guy. Heck, his mother is Irish for God sake, what's not to like? Actually, Derek, are you busy next summer? Around August? The Irish baseball team could probably fit you in to their next European Championship run. Maybe not at shortstop though.

Anyway, this isn't a random verbal assault on Jeter, this is a plea to those who pick the Gold Gloves and those who write about it. Do your damn job right and call this one as it is. Jeter is not a Gold Glove caliber defensive player. Rise above the sycophantic desire to crown the Yankee captain and pick someone who actually deserves the title.


By Cormac @I didn't know there was baseball in Ireland?!


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KelsdadAll-Star
317 days ago
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Moral of the story? Managers and coaches know far more about baseball than either John Dewan or Bill James. Case closed. Get over it.
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InsanMajor Leaguer
317 days ago
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Thank you...
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DaddyMac22JV Squad
317 days ago
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It wasn't a personal attack, I just think he's a horrendous shortstop, and allot of NY fans agree with me
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InsanMajor Leaguer
317 days ago
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Who? Mets fans?
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DaddyMac22JV Squad
317 days ago
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No, Yankee fans off a Yankee forum.
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InsanMajor Leaguer
317 days ago
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Yea, and I'm a Red Sox fan. No seriously, I am. I think Ted Williams is the worst baseball player ever.... and I'm a red sox fan.
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JuTMSY4Hall of Famer
316 days ago
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I'm fairly confident that almost any MLB team would take Jeter... Could be worse...you could have...i dunno...Julio Lugo at Short...
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Manny StilesDraft Pick
317 days ago
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I like Derek Jeter].
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Manny StilesDraft Pick
317 days ago
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not a fan of links to better articles, eh?
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MetsJetsDevilsDraft Pick
317 days ago
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Jeter is a gamer and that is what gets him by. He will dive intot he stands and he will make gutsy plays. He does not have the arm, range or flash of a Smith, Vizquel or Reyes. Still Jeter is far less overrated than Bernie Williams was. Williams was a gold glove center fielder and he was one of the worst defensive outfielders in the league.
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MetsJetsDevilsDraft Pick
317 days ago
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Whatever. If you disagree say so. Don't just hid behind negatives. Pussies.
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Manny StilesDraft Pick
317 days ago
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He should have moved to second when they signed A-rod
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Manny StilesDraft Pick
317 days ago
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traded for, you know what I meant
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Falcon02520Legend
317 days ago
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jeter caught the ball before he went into the stands, plus it hurt the team in the long run because he was out with injury
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MetsJetsDevilsDraft Pick
317 days ago
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Maybe, but it was one of the sickest things I have seen in baseball (Behind Endy Chavez and David Wright's respective catches of course)
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JuTMSY4Hall of Famer
316 days ago
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That's a toughy manny...on on hand, A-Rod is/was clearly a better SS...then again, A-Rod is/was also soooo good, that he should have (has been) able to handle a move better than jeter...

I used to agree w/ you manny...now it makes more sense...

It also depends on the yankee farm system...who is/would be a better SS, Cano or Jeter?
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KelsdadAll-Star
316 days ago
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He really meant ARod? No shit, sherlock!
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DwalbertVarsity Captain
316 days ago
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Fuck that play. One of the most disturbingly awesome plays I have ever seen was him cutting off the throw on the first base line at home and back handing it to the catcher in the A's series. People dive into the stands all the time; show me something that changes a game/series.
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Manny StilesDraft Pick
316 days ago
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Dwalbert, Jeter was where he was because he didn't trust his teammate's (Shane Spencer) arm.

He got LUCKY that Jeremy Giambi was a lazy sack of crap and didn't slide.


Any by the way, it didn't win the game for them and it was ONLY the seventh inning.... It kept the Yankees up by a run.

If Jeter would have done better than 0-3 in the game, that play would have been remembered as meaningless as it really was... Credit should go to Posada for knocking in the only run of the game or Mussina and Rivera for holding the A's down...

MOST OVERBLOWN LEGEND MADE OF GARBAGE - ever.
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Manny StilesDraft Pick
316 days ago
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and Posada's catch and tag across the body is more of a feat than a "flip"
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KelsdadAll-Star
317 days ago
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And Jeter is a bigger lock for the Hall of Fame than Vizquel.
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MetsJetsDevilsDraft Pick
317 days ago
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He probably is, but that is a product of all around game and not defense. If I wanted an offensive shortstop I would pick Jeter. If I wanted a defensive shortstop I would pick Vizquel. Last I checked, this is about the gold glove award, a defensive award.
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DaddyMac22JV Squad
317 days ago
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Well go write a piece about that so, what you said is certainly compelling however Vizquel will always be twenty times the defensive shortstop Jeter is.
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Reeper182Soccer Kid
317 days ago
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Jeter is not an awful shortstop... I think you should watch more games of jeter working his magic
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DaddyMac22JV Squad
317 days ago
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I have watched plenty of Jeter waving aimlessly at balls slipping by him up to his left so yeah, that's why I wrote this. Allot of people agree with me too.
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Reeper182Soccer Kid
316 days ago
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and the people who gave him his gold gloves agree with me... u people give me a negative 2 for saying jeter was not a horrible shortstop
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KelsdadAll-Star
317 days ago
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He's not a bad shortstop, its just this article was written by a Red Sox fan.
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Manny StilesDraft Pick
317 days ago
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He's the third best SS in New York. Something to be said for that!
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DaddyMac22JV Squad
317 days ago
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You are right he isnt a bad shortstop, he is a terrible shortstop

Take for example Jeter's 'Gold Glove' winning 2004 season. Check out some of his defensive statistics for that season

  • 1. Range Factor: 8th (out of 11)
  • 2. Zone Rating: 6th (out of 11)
  • 3. Fielding Percentage: 4th (out of 11)
  • 4. Fielding Win Shares: 4th (out of 11)
  • 5. Fielding Runs Above Replacement: 5th (out of 11)
  • 6. Ultimate Zone Rating: 8th (out of 11)
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Manny StilesDraft Pick
317 days ago
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KICK HIM WHILE HE'S DOWN, KICK HIM WHILE HE'S DOWN!!!

What is Mr November's lifetime "November Batting Average"

He had HOW MANY of his "greatest" moments when the YANKEES LOST???

"Rookie of the Year" - WHO did he beat out?

"Jeffrey Maier" - Mmmm, hmmm....

The 'flip', Mr November - 2001 - The year the A.L. Champs lost to Arizona Diamondbacks when he could have been the hero by catching Gonzo's little girl bloop.

I have more 'evidence'...
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Davis21wylieAll-Star
317 days ago
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Who did he beat out? Darin Erstad, baby. My second-favorite player behind Jetah.
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JuTMSY4Hall of Famer
316 days ago
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Holy Shit...James Baldwin!?
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KelsdadAll-Star
317 days ago
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Gimme a break, Manny. I give you Jose Reyes might be, but no way Anderson Hernandez is!
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MetsJetsDevilsDraft Pick
317 days ago
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uh, I think he meant A-Rod.
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Manny StilesDraft Pick
317 days ago
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that's the way to get the +'s MJD!!! =)
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Falcon02520Legend
317 days ago
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Michael Young deserved the award over Jeter last year
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
316 days ago
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It all depends if you believe in "fielding stats". I do not. While hitting and pitching can easily be measured by stats I believe determining fielding skill requires "seeing it". Same for baserunning skills and other intagibles.
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Kwitt11Varsity Captain
316 days ago
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Okay...do you "see" all the balls that go for hits up the middle? Fielding stats are far from perfect, but they can still tell you something.
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
316 days ago
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Also to throw in a logic argument, if he was "worst defensive shortstop of all time", one would think he would rank 11th in one of these categories, if not most.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
316 days ago
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Why is a valid reason required to hate Derek Jeter?
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Manny StilesDraft Pick
316 days ago
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There isn't, yet there is so many to choose from!
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Anonymous Fanatic #2
316 days ago
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I *love* how you (someone) finally tries to use stats to back up your "argument." Of course tho, you're so hell bent on ripping Jeter that you're blinded by those same stats. Fourth in fielding percentage? Yeah, Jeter's .981 to Vizquel and Guzman's .982 and .983 respectively!! Big difference!

Most of these stats you're citing are collective averages and the differential isn't vast; there's more to it than that. It's not like he's in the 60th percentile and others are all in the 90th. He also lead the LEAGUE in putouts. Guessed you missed that one.

The award is not given out for simple statistical ranking. Its not the olympics. So get over it. It would also help to stop exaggerating with statements like "the worst defensive shortstop of all time." Gimme a break. You only make yourself sound like a biased fool, because, I hate to tell you, nyyfans.com is no benchmark for approval.
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DwalbertVarsity Captain
316 days ago
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Understanding that this is an Anon, the person that posted the facts copy and pasted them from the article. God I wish you all weren't either 12 years old or living in your mother's basement at 45...
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DwalbertVarsity Captain
316 days ago
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Oh yeah, and the person that used those stats... WROTE THE ARTICLE THEY WERE IN. Please learn to read anons.
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Anonymous Fanatic #3
316 days ago
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hey Dillbert, Please clarify your response because I dont understand the point you're trying to make. I wanted to validate the stats used by DaddyMac22 so I looked it up on ESPN. I know how to read, thank you. But you obviously need help learning to communicate.
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Manny StilesDraft Pick
316 days ago
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...looking things up on ESPN? Thanks for showing how you "know how to read"
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Anonymous Fanatic #3
316 days ago
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Ok Manny, Whatever. Where else should I go look? Does GOD send you data directly? You must be special. Put another sticker on your helmet.
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Manny StilesDraft Pick
316 days ago
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This site is also an encyclopedia (click the blue links) or... Funny you should ask, but I do happen to know "a guy that runs a decent place to find stats"
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Manny StilesDraft Pick
316 days ago
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I think I'm special, that's all that matters to me (I don't wear a helmet to stick them on)
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Anonymous Fanatic #3
316 days ago
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Ok, I get it now. Thats what I get for swooping down and crapping on his piece, and not looking around his universe. Still, my POINT was that the 'stats' he uses/cites/generates/etc are still not ample argument for calling Jeter "the worst shortstop to ever play the game." If I run a 4 minute mile but end up in 20th place, but by only thousandths of a point, I'm not upset. While I'm glad he's at least using stats to prove his point, even that data can be deceptive. No? Fourth place, yes, but by .001. Yes? No?
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Manny StilesDraft Pick
316 days ago
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I think he's good. Obviously he's a major leaguer. But he's not GREAT. If he played in Kansas City, he'd be "just another guy".
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Manny StilesDraft Pick
316 days ago
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and numbers only tell you whatever you want them to...
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DaddyMac22JV Squad
316 days ago
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The overall point is that Jeter simply does not deserve the collection of Gold Gloves he is accruing at a ridiculous pace. MVPs, silver sluggers, sure, no problem with that, the guy rakes, however, Gold Gloves? Watch his next ten games. He is completely awful as a defensive player. No range at all. That's the point.
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
315 days ago
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Well since the Gold Glove is awarded by coaches and managers, and is not awarded by fans, and not by the media and managers can't vote for their own players.... I GUESS YOU GUYS SHOULD WRITE THESE COACHES AND MANAGERS AND BITCH TO THEM...  :p
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Anonymous Fanatic #4
316 days ago
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You're right about Jeter. I used to think he was GREAT but I based my opinion on watching 120+ games every year, Fox, ESPN, YES, and those gold golves he won ( voted on by his peers) I believe I was wrong and you're right. You have the credentials to back it up. I go with you big guy. By the way, what's your credentials for making your opinion?
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Anonymous Fanatic #3
316 days ago
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Ok, I hear you DaddyMac. Ive exhausted my point.

Funny, funny new "Anon Fan"...

Im outtie. You can keep your sarcasm and modern day dungeons-n-dragons. Hope you make MVP! You're cool!
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Manny StilesDraft Pick
316 days ago
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I always thought of myself as slightly less cool than a person who anonymously calls people "cool"... dude. Peace out. Have fun with your original dungeons and dragons.
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Manny StilesDraft Pick
316 days ago
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My credentials are simple - I ain't fooled by Joe DiMaggio.

He is the model for Jeter.

And DiMaggio was better than Jeter (and third best in his city at his position and treated like a godsend). Di Maggio was the first overblown mediamachine to be confused as a legend. Could he play? Sure. Is a hitstreak REALLY a show of greatness or of some other factors. And surely he hit a whopping .408 during that streak (Pssst - Teddy BAllgame hit .406 FOR THE SEASON that year - do the math and figure out what Joe D's avg was for the REST of the season)

Anyway. They did it to Mick, too, but he actually HAD the ability to delivere but he outdid the media, and outdrank them out of ever seeing what-REALLY-might-have-been.

GOD, if Mick's knees didn't give out, he would have hung on into the 70's with teams like the Indians and Angels. Mick as an Expo... or in those hideous Padres unis!! whew!

It's all Lou Gehrig's fault. He was the best Yankee EVER (There's that word again - Oh wait, it means something here) and the golden posterboy of posterboys strucken before his time - (Think Michael J. Fox in 1990 with a .340 lifetime and averaging 37HR/year but more tragic...)
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